That’s not fair scumpump. Without a dictionary, how’s he to figure out what that word means? TheLoadedDog at least used a word that pseudo probably knows.
Ivan wasn’t categorically stating that his explanation for the hostility was the only possible explanation, was he? Actually, I think I and you and he pretty much agree: while some people may be treating me with hostiity here because of their need to defend themselves against what they see as my blanket accusation that every example of a parent who has ever touched a child has committed a felony, some people are being hostile because of a past (long past) dispute with me on some completely different subject, or some may be hostile for a variety of reasons, including my own provocative phrasing of my OP.
If I were advocating running around outdoors naked, for example, Ivan might have characterized the hostility to my suggestion by observing that the hostility came from the clothing industry protecting their self-interest. Snidely observing that there are other reasons for being hostile to nudity is a kind of strawman, in that Ivan hadn’t categorically denied your premise, so you would be arguing against a point he never made, and which he might accept as valid. Ivan’s subject was related to the asrguments being made in this thread, and you seem determined to get the subject back on my general obnoxious personality–IOW, this thread keeps returning to a discussion of “what’s wrong with PRR personally” as opposed to any arguments about the subject ostensibly under discussion. Could you simply open an ongoing pit thread about my shitty behavior, and your feeling why I should be banned, or spanked, or decapitated or whatever the fuck you think it is that I should suffer for the crime of annoying you?
Plainly, you feel that my tone in 2002 and 2004 and 2005 should disqualify me from ever being taken seriously in discussion on SDMB again. Your obsessiveness in making this point over and over again whenever I make any sort of argument is tedious to me–how about I acknowledge that you have noted my obnoxiousness numerous times, and that I freely admit to having pissed you off in the past? Would that serve to get you to cut back on your hijacking my specific points in current posts with incessant repetitions of your appraisal of my obnoxious personality? Or can I look forward to seeing this from you for the foreseeable future?
Sure have. You’re going to shut up. I’m so pleased.
Why… it’s almost like you started a troll thread with a deliberately “provocative” OP, then feigned ignorance when people took your bait, then began playing word games for page upon page with maximum snideness… and now you’re shocked (shocked!) that the thread has become ‘about you’.
Who’d a thunk it?
And speaking of you being a fool who can’t read English, you’ll note that nowhere did I say I’d “shut up”. I quite like taking you to task for being an arrogant, obnoxious, troll who’s pretentious enough to claim some sort of linguistic competency. I particularly like your troll tactic of saying things like, anybody who ‘hits’ a child should turn themselves in to law enforcement officers… and then feigning shock and righteous indignation when people act as if you’re treating them as criminals. Your typical bombastic bullshit language critique about ‘inaccurate paraphrases’ is just icing on the cake. You are certainly one of the better trolls on this board, but given enough time, you all flame out eventually.
Happy trolling.
Shut up.
Stop being a trolling, arrogant, ignorant, obnoixous, snide, bloviating gassbag.
Then maybe we’ll have a deal.
That’s it for you, FinnAgain. When PRR reaches the stage of issuing a challenge like
followed by replies like
he’s shot his wad. You’ve, somehow, pushed things past the point where the trolling is fun for him and now he won’t want to play with you any more. He’ll turn to people who are still futilely trying to have a genuine dialog with him.
In my case the challenge was
and his final post to me was
As I’ve noted elsewhere, I now believe PRR is genuinely mentally ill. He’s still a troll, but it’s from whatever is wrong with him mentally and emotionally. That’s just an observation, not an excuse for him.
Think of it like this, when a shoplifter steals because of mental and emotional problems, the store doesn’t overlook the theft. They still treat it as retail theft.
Beautiful! You’ve got a deal.
I will stop being a trolling, arrogant, ignorant, obnoixous, snide, bloviating gassbag (which will be easy for me to stop, since I haven’t started–if I had started trolling, for example, I’d be banned by now, right? Right) and you will never post here again.
A win/win for all involved!
I will note, however, that I was actually quite amused by his blast of bombast. Going on (and on and on) about a literary device whose meaning he didn’t know, in order to accuse me of stupidity? It’s just fun to see someone shoot himself in the foot quite so dramatically.
It could be… he certainly seems to have periods of lucidity but is going hell-for-leather towards some rather blatant trolling at this point. I don’t know what his issues are, but he has obviously become emotionally unglued over the discussion of proper parenting methods.
I know that the board grinds at a glacial pace when it comes to dealing with trolls, and sometimes it takes a final OP pitting Mr Rogers for not talking about masturbation, but I’m sure that sooner or later either moderation or his own persona will catch on up.
It’s amazing how you and your pal FinnAgain find the courage to keep showing your faces around here. You each accuse me of violating the terms of the SDMB agreement, and I offer --no, I beseech you–to report me for the specific violation you are making, or else STFU already, and you manage you cough up these pathetic excuses for your abject failure to do what would give you the great pleasure of seeing me banned, and still to continue posting, just as if you hadn’t posted false accusations about me.
I really get a kick out of the way you ruffle up your neck and crow just exactly like a bantam rooster atop a dung heap. It’s another sign that there is something genuinely wrong with you that you must trumpet every disagreement with another person as yet another great victory for you.
Somewhere in one of these threads you mentioned that you are divorced. If you ever actually had a wife, I can see why she left you. Your issues are such that it would be impossible for there to be a healthy relationship.
Let’s start at the beginning, shall we?
I know you’re not too bright, and your facility with English lags somewhere around a seventh grade level… but agreeing to only be an arrogant, ignorant, obnoixous, snide, bloviating gassbag doesn’t exactly satisfy the requirements of a deal.
Further, as tom himself described your activity in a manner that precisely matches the board’s official definition of trolling, yet did not warn you, obviously, even your blatant trolling won’t earn you a ban, not necessarily. We’ve also seen posters here, over the years, rack up numerous official warnings for trolling. Some posters receiving one or two warnings a year and aren’t banned. Others retain their posting privileges for some time before the hammer comes down.
So the fact that you haven’t flamed out yet is proof of nothing.
And again, since your reading comprehension skills are middle school level at best, I’ll point out that nowhere did I say I’d never post here again, even if you stopped trolling (in addition to all your other odious behaviors).
While I’m at it, Mr. Internet Tough Guy, I have the ‘courage’ to keep posting here because your rhetorical vomit is comical, and not exactly frightening. It’s amusing to think of you working yourself up into a frothing lather, but I’m quite happy to post when and as I will, especially since you’re such a batshit nuts troll that just pointing out your behavior evidently sends you into paroxysms, demanding Mod Justice. Whether or not the mods have banned you yet is irrelevant and immaterial. Whether or not the mods would even agree is, likewise, irrelevant and immaterial.
The mods no more crate reality or can change ontology than they make the sun rise and the stars shine. If they don’t recognize you as a troll, then that’s their mistake. All it proves is that they’re mistaken. They also repeatedly ignore bits of the user agreement, so I’m not even sure what you think your point is. Arbitration of reality via mod, maybe?
Truth be told, you’re an irritant, a gnat. You certainly deserve to be removed from the board, and should have stayed away once you accepted money to leave it, but ah well. Shit happens, and yeah, you’ve happened again.
You started a blatant troll thread in the Pit, and behaved like an enraged monkey on crack when people objected to your trolling.
Takes all kinds.
Well, I guess that depends on what your definition of “is” is. Ivan said:
I don’t see any qualifiers like “In my opinion…” or “I suspect…” or “…as it is mostly coming from…” He stated it as a matter of fact with no more expressed uncertaintly than “the sky is blue”, and I pointed out his explanation was incomplete.
Even this isn’t exhaustive, but no matter. Frankly, it’s rather presumptuous of you to presume some people are defensive because of your rather ridiculous claim that “every example of a parent who has ever touched a child has committed a felony”. In fact, I’ve observed that accusing someone of being defensive is a convenient way of dismissing their claims that one’s initial statement was preposterous. What exactly does it mean to be “defensive”, anyway? If I say it the moon is purple and someone says I am wrong, can I accuse them of being defensive about it? What characterizes a defensive posture?
I don’t see the snindeness. If ivan said “some hostility might” stem from the clothing industry or a specific person’s hostility was biased by that person’s employment in the clothing industry, fine. If he says “the” hostility and adds no qualifiers, it is perfectly valid for me to add them on his behalf if I have reason to do so.
Your take on the subject under discussion is, to be generous, flawed. I can certainly understand the decision of individual parents to adopt a stance of “never hit” versus “sometimes hit lightly” as they struggle to find the best ways to raise their children, but your repeated stance is that parents who choose the latter option are sadists who must be locked up or, on a bad day, would maim or kill their children. I can also understand the rhetorical value of exageration or satire to make a point. The problem is you’re not very good at it.
Anyway, I have no children of my own so I have no particular incentive to discuss childrearing techniques with you (or anyone). However, it amuses me to point out your flaws, and that’s sufficient value for me to continue until such time as I find something else to do or a moderator intervenes.
Nah, too lazy. You opened this thread in the Pit, so why should I bother? Besides, I’ve never Pitted anyone; why start now?
I haven’t been keeping track of what your tone was in 2002, 2004 or 2005, though I remember giving you similar advice when you tried to discuss religion and seemed to wonder why an obnoxious tone wasn’t working (there was one post in particular that I vaguely remember being particularly proud of, as it outlined a serious argument one could take with respect to religion - I’ll find it later). And then there was that whole $500 business which was such a ridiculous clusterfuck that I couldn’t help but aggravate it, again for my own amusement.
If me seeking to amuse myself at your expense counts as “obsessiveness”, so be it. Don’t take it personally, though. Any self-rightoueous twit would do in your place. Liberal did. Aeschines did. Diogenes does. Der Trihs does. Around here, targets of ridicule are easy to find. I’ll get to Bricker and Q.E.D. sooner or later.
We were discussing events in this thread - I don’t need to cite anything. It seems quite obvious that my comment could only be “IMHO”, and as it stood - a basic simplification of the gist of this thread - there was nothing factually wrong with it. There may well be other reasons for the hostility towards** prr**, and it may not just come from parents who have spanked their children, but theirs is the most relevant to the issue at hand. If you have no kids, haven’t spanked your kids, or do not intend to start, what would be your point in even addressing prr? Other than to try and wind him up, that is. Okay, his OP may have seemed a little antagonistic, but the vehemency which the defenders of smacking have gone against him, seems to illustrate the lack of control prr was hinting at in the first place. In a real world situation, I don’t think some of the posters on here would settle for merely placing him on the naughty seat. In fact I can just imagine some of them wrapping their belt around their fist as they read this!
And that says a whole hell of a lot about you.
It didn’t even occur to me to ask you to cite anything.
No, but it was incomplete.
We’ll have to disagree on that.
For my own amusement. I’ve never pretended otherwise.
I disagree on the severity of the lack-of-control issue. I believe it is possible to feel hostility toward prr and yet have no desire to physically punish children. I believe it is possible to feel hostility toward prr and yet feel that occasional physical punishment is appropriate. I believe it is possible to feel hostility toward prr and yet be a serial child-killer. How one feels about children has no relevance to how one feels about prr, as far as I can tell.
In any case, “some” posters here might want to beat on prr. So what? If they describe on this board their desire or intent to beat on him (which would signal to me a genuine lack of control), they should get the appropriate moderator warning. I have no such desire myself, for what that’s worth.
Well don’t just stop there! Do elaborate Sigmund Finn. I’m sure the board would love to hear your expert psychoanalysis of my personality.
Now, now… don’t get defensive.
Aw diddums! Did I ignore your post, Bryan? Here’s why.
If you want to amuse yourself, spread your smarm elsewhere. This punter is on to you.
Make me, “diddums”.
My smarm must go wherever shirts are stuffed and scrub away the perspiration stains of self-importance, leaving only the lemony smell of a new day. You got a problem with that, deal with it.