Sorry just noticed this.
They are seen as heretics. They do not believe that Mohammed was the last prophet. They believe Mirza al Nouri is the last prophet.
The Jews are still waiting for the messiah, the Christians believe Jesus is theirs, and Jesus spoke of the coming of the paraclete which is the prophet of Islam Mohammed as being the last messenger. So in Islam the Bahai are thought of as heretics.
Ah I see. Clearly, locking them up is the only sensible response.
It’s not a case of wanting to go to war in Pakistan, it might be a case of having to.
Pakistan has a nuclear arsenal. An unstable government. Many radical extremists just waiting to get their hands on a facility. Dear God NATO can’t even take Kandahar! what makes you think they will stop the Taliban and ALL the other groups in Pakistan. You opened a can of worms.
well if it were back in time they would have been burned at the stake so prison I guess is preferable:D
If you are talking about the ones arrested they were said to be inciting violence and trying to overthrow the government.
Did you know that Iran usually detains foreigners by the way on house arrest in their own embassy.
The three accused of spying were even taken from there to a hotel to meet their mothers. I wonder how alleged Iranian spies found in other countries are treated?
I am aware of all those things. The accusation was that the US/West was “manufacturing consent for war”. Unless you or Zanthor are contending that the US deliberately caused any of those things as a pretext for invasion, this is not germane.
I do so love the “You made me do this!” argument, as if there were no other factors to consider in the current situation and nobody else in the world had any free agency. Heck, you’d have a better argument blaming the British Empire for the situation in Pakistan now than the US.
I know all that. It doesn’t in any way excuse their treatment of Baha’is. I don’t think you understand what entails being “moderate”.
So tell me, why are Baha’is not allowed to go to University in Iran.
So - if they withdrew from the NPT on the grounds that the Iran that signed it was the Shah Puppet-Iran, which they are at liberty to do, the rest of the world will shrug their shoulders and walk on whistling a happy tune then?
“We launch cruise missiles at Pakistan every day”
Really? We’ve never launched a cruise missile at Pakistan. We do conduct UAV strikes in the border regions of Pakistan because Pakistan is either unable or unwilling to get a strong presence in there to root out Al Qaeda and Taliban insurgents. Those are not cruise missles!
As for the civilian casualties that invariably occur…its war. It unfortunately happens, particularly when the group you’re fighting against has a known propensity for conducting their operations in and around civilian areas like schools and hospitals due to the political benefit they gain from waving their dead bodies in front of TV cameras so the world can see “what they’ve done to us!”.
Aside from all this, Pakistan is an ally in this “war on terror”…why would we invade them? The only plausible scenario I’ve seen here put forth was one whereby their government became so unstabilized that there was a genuine threat that a part of their nuclear arsenal would “fall into the wrong hands” and even then, we wouldn’t launch some kind of full scale invasion.
As for Iran, when on Earth have they been arbiters of peace?
Jesus!
So, because we’re struggling to pacify Afghanistan, we’re going to invade and topple Pakistan. Because fighting Pakistan, being 10 times richer and more populated than Afghanistan, would be so much easier than fighting Afghanistan.
Look, you answered your own question. We’re having trouble fighting a few half-assed warlords in Afghanistan. How the fuck are we supposed to fight Pakistan too? It’s impossible. And THAT’S WHY WE’RE NOT GOING TO FIGHT A WAR AGAINST PAKISTAN.
By the way, I missed this part… that last sentence is not true.
That would be an interesting development. However, it would also essentially prove that their goal is to design and manufacture a nuclear weapon, since the treaty specifically recognizes a right to use and develop peaceful nuclear power technology. The only major thing the treaty prohibits are for non-nuclear weapon states from receiving, manufacturing, or acquiring nuclear weapons and nuclear explosive devices.
Since numerous Iranian officials have repeatedly claimed over the years that Iran is not seeking and will not seek a nuclear weapon - and the only real purpose for withdrawing from the NPT is for a signatory state to pursue nuclear weapons a la North Korea - this would destroy the regime’s credibility once and for all before the whole world. They don’t have much to begin with (cue Marmite Lover’s “double standards!” moan), but withdrawing from the NPT would mean that even the conciliatory states like Turkey and Brazil wouldn’t be able to claim skepticism about Iran’s actions or goals.
1/ Awesome, just like Veitnam, Iraq, etc etc.
Annihilate the place, totally destabalise it, kill a million or so,
achieve virtually nothing, then leave?
Is that it, the best you could do??
Install fragile corrupt US friendly puppet regimes,
then walk away?
You should not have gone there in the 1st place…
Just say, What it the above were an objective all in its own right?.
Mission accomplished???
Does it feel good?, congratulatory pats on each others backs?
2/ The escalation was NOT necessary, The West should not have gone their in the 1st place.
Regimes changes, interfering in another countries politics is NOT our business.
3/ Only hope you are correct, I think you are not, I would think its inevitable, for all kinds of reasons.
Dwindling Oil supplies right up there, also the instability of the Nuke possessing Govt.
The West will only go there, ‘to lend a hand’ of course.
If you don’t see this, i think the forest obscures your view of the trees.
How many $US millions of millions has the West supplied Pakistan, weapons etc, to what avail.
Their control is fragmenting.
America will have to ‘assist’
Its what the West does…
4/ Sorry, don’t have time to reply to the rest of your post, have to go out.
later.
One point tho, about the last question you asked.
about homosexuals and the Bahai in Iran.
2 things,
1/ I am not God, I do not claim to know absolute right and wrong.
I pointed this out to you when i mentioned how the German ppl regarded Hitler as a Liberator, a Savior, promised the final solution for a ppl that have been persecuted all thro the world, esp. all of Europe for centuries.
See Shakespeare’s, Merchant of Venice for example.
Are you asking wether i personally approve of what Hitler did?
Of course not, I said the great wrongness and rightness depends on wether you happen to be one of them or us.
Rightness and wrong therefore relative, not complete.
Was the American military right to have a policy of persecution and suppression of Gay ppl in its military?.
My point was, one planet, one ppl.
If you Empathise you are them, then imagine they are you, who then is there left to fear and pass Judgment on?.
Are you going to hate and kill yourself, if you are them, and the enemy is you.
Some great thinker said, i looked in the mirror and saw my enemy, it was me.
The essence of, Love your Enemy, turn the other cheek etc etc etc, perhaps?
I think the invasion of Iran much less likely than i did years ago when the whole sorry mess began.
If the war in Iraq and Afghanistan have of gone better?
Perhaps the West will have to settle for bombing the crap out of Iran, not invade, to pacify Israel…
But I do think ‘securing Pakistan’ will become a necessity ( sic )
Regards
How many U.S. soldiers are in Iran?
Zanthar, you need to lower your Xanax dosage. You make zero sense. Your posts are largely incoherent, devoid of understanding of political reality and couching them in sonnet-like phrasing doesn’t make them any more understandable or remotely true.
Its been pointed out to you time and again that your failure to understand history is clouding your outlook on not just Iran, but also Pakistan, Germany and Japan.
You must really hate America* to hold the position you do.
*trademarked catchphrase du jour
does that include Covert black ops CiIA ‘excursions’?
if so, then you tell me.
or how much US$ support to any anti Govt group in Iran does the US govt pour money into?.
If you are so wise, know all things, you tell me.
I was merely asking.
Everybody knows that the US has ninjas in Iran, not spec ops troops.
It was only meant to make sense if you were able to understand.
I wrote from the heart, and Spirit.both the enemy we kill and my own perrception of what I think really matters.
Give you a clue, its NOT greed and Domination…
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If this does not meet your approval, then dismiss it, don’t bother reading it, it obviously was not meant for you.
I am seeking, you are not looking it seems.
oh well.
FYI, i despise all religions, from all nations, but i respect Spirituality, regardless of the ‘Religion’
BTW, Think your Native Americans had more honest religion in the palm of their hand than most so called civilasised decent Christians would ever understand with their whole body and mind.
How about the West stops killing ppl, i might think there was some hope for us all…
if this is to obscure for you, then that’s ok, it is fate, destiny.
Words of Bob Dylan, Its all right Ma. I am only bleeding.
goes, i hate nothing but hatred itself…
quote.
You must really hate America* to hold the position you do.
Nope, as i said, I hate nothing but hatred itself.
What I demand however is accountability…
You ready to 'fess up yet?
regards
Meaningless crap to you?
If you cannot be serious about dealing death to innocents, why bother wasting air by breathing?
the are zillions of links to Special Ops.
here is one.