RedFury, what the fuck are you babbling on about now? What are you going to do, follow me around in any thread and post with glee every time a US soldier dies?
You’re a sick and pathetic little man.
And that has to do with the current war in Iraq…how?
If conversations didn’t evolve, we could all just type the same sentence over and over. Kim brought up the subject of targeting collaborators. I responded that terrorist bombings do not target collaborators.
A second ago you were talking “terrorism”. Now you’re talking about US troops, not civilians. Would you regard a WW2 German soldier as a terrorist? How about a WW2 US soldier?
As far as I understand it, terrorism involves the terrorizing of civilian populations in order to demoralize them, create instability and pave the way for one’s one goals. There is no doubt this is happening in Iraq. This is something I consider cold blooded murder, and should be aggresively punished.
As it turns out, while I am against the invasion of Iraq simply on the grounds that it was not in American interests, a withdrawal now would be disasterous. So I hope the American forces prevail and get the hell out of there. Relunctantly. But fighting US troops is not terrorism, as unpleasant as it might seem due to the fact that the US troops in question are potentially family and friends.
If the insurgents wins, what happens? Will the average Iraqi be better off? If that were so, then I would root for them.
Now I disageed with the invasion, but now that we’re there, we have to stay and help create a stable government. No, our presence isn’t what is causing the insurgency. It’s the fact that Saddam is gone. If somebody wacked Saddam, this would be going on now with any help from us. It’s not their country but they sure want it to be theirs and they mostly like pine for the good 'ole days of the Taliban.
Zebra, hard core liberal democrate, who wants the insurgents shot in the head.
What does party affiliation have to do with anything? Just trying to score political points for a future GD post? :rolleyes:
You know, it’s really easy for us to sit around and pontifcate from our comfy chairs in Cape Town or Houston, and claim to know all about who should do what to whom in Iraq, but personally, regardless of my feelings about the morality and legality of the US invasion, I stop short of cheering on ‘patriots’ who frequently and randomly target innocent civilians.
What a stupid fucking thread this is.
Lets see if you can follow along:
This OP is about those who root for the insurgency in Iraq.
I refered to “everybody” who roots for the insurgents.
A poster pointed out that only one person in this thread (the OP) was actually rooting for them.
I pointed out that in the past, other posters have wished death on US troops.
She brought up collaborators as a specific example to refute your statement that early Americans were patriots based on your metric of “targeting civilians denies you the patriot status.”
Then, instead of admitting you were wrong, you simply changed the rules to make it “indiscriminate murder.” So, are you officially changing your stance to “you can still be a patriot if you target civilians, as long as you target civilian collaborators specifically and refrain from indiscriminately murdering civilians?”
I disagree. I think if Hussein had been assasinated, or died quickly from natural causes, there would have been a very brief and very bloody power struggle in the highest echelons of the Ba’athists, resulting in a more or less stable government. Most of the bureaucratic folks involved in governing, administrating, etc. would have stayed in place.
A large part of our problem is that we not only cut off the head of the government, we cut off its arms and legs too. We also should have merely de-Ba’athed the army, instead of doing away with it. We also … well, there’s no point in detailing the mistakes made here.
I do tend to agree that we should stay there until we have some type of stable government in place. I worry that that may take decades, and reserve the right to reconsider that opinion.
What a deluted and pathetic scumbag you are.
I’m simply here doing my job in fighting your wilfull ignorance. And has been amply pointed out to you in this thread, whether you like it or not, the Iraqi resistance is hardly a monolitic entity, bent on “killing children.”
No need to believe me. Read my prior cite yet again.
Asswipe.
I have made not claim, in that thread or this one, that the Iraqi resistance is a monolithic entitity. In fact I have specifically stated the opposite. You are a liar.
Sure. Lets do that:
1) Debaser: Oh, and can everybody rooting for the terrorists in this war please also post thier political persuasion? I’m genuinely curious.
2) Genghis Bob: “Everybody?” So far, that’s one poster to this thread.
3) Debaser: More will probably show up, unfortunately. We’ve already had numerous threads on the SDMB where posters have wished death on US troops.
Don’t get me wrong. I like the way you tried to spin (3) as if it were totally unrelated to (1) and (2). It shows the impressive quick thinking that practically guarantees you success in a rabidly left or right wing “news” outlet!
As always, OP’s like this make me go through a process.
- Check for sarcasm before rolling eyes.
- Roll eyes
- Decide not to respond, thinking that crickets will make a better point and that my effort will be wasted on someone so obviously deluded.
- Give in and post.
Mr. Dibble, the people of the United States of America have been saving lives and liberating people for nearly 100 years now. That noble tradition continues today in Afghanistan and Iraq. Every day, americans are risking their lives to rebuild the infrastructure of those countries and to move them into the 21st century. When we are finished, they will stand as examples for other countries in the region to follow. The hope is that radical Islam will look poor by comparison and people will begin to turn away from it, ending the terrorism cycle of teaching hatred of the west from birth.
Will it work? I certainly hope so. We’ll know in a generation or so.
Meanwhile, enjoy your knee-jerk anti-american bias as our country accomplishes good works in the world that yours is neither capable or willing to do. Enjoy the sun…we’ll take it from here.
What is your problem? Do you honestly not see the obvious logical connection between people who “root for the insurgents” and the people who “wish for US troops to die”?
Nice post Evil One.
You can almost hear someone singing behind it.
O beautiful for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain;
For purple mountain majesties
Above the fruited plain!
America! America!
God shed His grace on thee,
And crown thy good with brotherhood,
From sea to shining sea.
It’s a load of bollocks of course but still reads well.
I would expect you to feel that way, yojimbo. Congrats on being the first one to confirm pretty much everything I said.
I have to agree. Maybe you could call WWII a liberation, but after that, it has been nothing more than meddling in the eternal squabbles of people who, if they didn’t already hate us, have come around to doing so.
Nice slogan. America - liberating sovereign nations from their own governments since WWII.