The “Let me pull a headline from today’s newspaper or poll or my favorite website” in order for me to rant YET AGAIN about how evil America is, blithely sidestepping any extenuating circumstances or pesky facts which fly in the face of my Jeremiads or better yet, using them as stepping stones to say the same fucking thing OVER AND OVER AND OVER again, until I get bored and start yet ** another** thread, saying basically the same thing" pony.
I approximate, sir, that I shall do so 10,000 times, give or take a few.
I rest my case.
Whooooooooooosh.
Zagadka: Hear that sound? That’s the sound of the people who are normally on your side running away from your latest position.
Anyone who is seriously going to compare the United States and Iraq and find them close to equal, as you are now trying to do, is seriously deluded. How many mass graves are there in the United States? How many counties have been wiped off the map because they had some rabble-rousers in them? How many states have had entire populations run off their land so that cronies could take it over? How many towns have been gassed by the government?
Actually, I can’t believe I’m even bothering to try to refute this latest stuff. It’s way off the wall.
And it should be no surprise that 92% of the population see the U.S. as occupiers. They ARE occupiers. It’s an occupying force. This is fact. And of course the people are pissed off - the country is in the middle of a very messy transition. After the iron curtain fell, Russia was in pretty rough shape, too. And there were a lot of people calling for the Communists to come back. Not so many today, though. And in ten years, there won’t be any (well, no more than there are communists in the U.S.)
The story of the Iraq invasion will not be complete for years. Maybe five years from now we’ll have an idea whether or not it will work out. Ten years from now we’ll know for sure. Right now it’s chaotic, and it’s not surprising that the people are unhappy.
But here’s the ultimate test - go take a poll in Iraq and see how many would like Saddam Hussein re-installed as dictator.
The lives of over 100 people are lost, over 300 injured, and you are boiling it down to a popularity contest?
Nice.
You’re right.Which, if you read my post, is why I said Iraq killed “several fold” more people than us.
Two?
C’mon, Sam, when are you gonna start the “Lets invade Sudan” thread?
What the hell does that have to do with anything? The point is, you are trying to add up things like executions to draw some kind of comparison between Iraq and the United States - a comparison which is ridiculous on so many levels that it’s beyond belief.
Yea… because comparing executions… is… ridiculous…
O_o
Anyway, if you don’t mind, Sam, can we get back to discussing the 100 dead/300 injured and rampant anti-Americanism in Iraq that this thread is about?
From here, I read that of the 100+ killed, 61 civilians (and 1 US soldier) died in car-bomb attacks- not part of the US arsenal, ASFAIK.
So you’re blaming the US when Iraqi insurgents indiscrimately kill Iraqi civilians? Do the insurgents bear * any* culpability in your view?
You’re right…I have been whooooooshed.
In a wierd and twisted way, I suspect that the insurgents are deathly afraid (pun intended) of the time when the US does up and leave. The abuses at AG prison notwithstanding, they will be treated much more harshly by their fellow Iraqis than they would be by the US. And they know this. This is the end game for them, and it’s litterally a life or death struggle.
Zagadka: You need to step back and put things in perspective. The world is not going to end everytime you read a disturbing headline. And I notice you have not addressed my first post: Back up your statment that the Iraqi governing aurhority was almost toppled today. You made that statement in your OP. Back it up or retract it.
Amnesty International Report 2001 (Iraq)
Amnesty International Report 2001 (United States of America)
Zagadka, can you clarify this response?
Did I say the world was going to end? I merely thought this was a rather large event that warranted comment.
Um, considering that 6 major Iraqi cities had their police stations taken over or demolished and the streets were swept clear of Iraqi forces, with the only order being American tanks and American helicopters rumbling through the neighborhoods, I think it is fair to say that this uprising could easily have threatened the stability of the government, were it left to its own devices. This same group has promised to assassinate leading government officials, and will likely continue throughout the week.
Bury your head in the sand if you will.
I suppose if this forum were called “Great Comments”, you could have a point. What others have tried to point out is that your almost Reeder-like OPs of “Hey look at this, isn’t this terriible” is getting a bit old. But, bury your head in the sand if you will.
But it has **not ** been left to its own devices, and not by accident either. Both the US and the Iraqi governing authority realize they’re not ready to fend for themselves. Hence the fact that we are still there. So, in fact, the Iraqi government didn’t even come close to being toppled.
I know little or nothing about the Iraqi public opinion. But I did hear something amusing, in a macabre sort of way, on TV news. After a car bombing in Falloujah yesterday one of Bremmer’s PR guys said that this just proved that Iraqi police can’t provide security yet.
And we can and do?