Irish/Ireland question. Tradition turned inside out or has the dolphin been duped?

Especially burnt orange.
:: dodges beer bottles thrown by t-sippers ::

I’ve heard there are places in the US where it can be physically dangerous to wear orange on St. Patrick’s day.

I can promise you that cadolphin won’t drink ANY beer today! Or tomorrow! Or ever!

I’m the beer drinker in the family - she can’t stand the elixir of true life! Her loss…

:smiley:

irishgirl: Daniel O’Connell was Catholic.

There are a number of other Protestant nationalist heroes though - Robert Emmet, Roger Casement, Constance Markievicz etc.

And astorian, you might be surprised at the amount of hostility to St Patrick’s Day amongst some northern Protestants. There have been numerous incidences of unionist-dominated town councils refusing funding for Paddy’s Day events - there wasn’t even a parade in Belfast for a number of years because of unionist opposition.

damn, i was thinking of street names, ruadh and my brain went FFFFZZZ and substituted O’Connell for Casement.

well, i HAVE been having paddy’s day drinks…

Besides my thread in MPSIMS asking ya’ll for prayers, positive energy, etc. for our very, very sick little girl… Well, that’s still my “favorite” thread I’ve ever started.

This one is in 2nd place :smiley:

I feel like I’m learning so much from ya’ll today !!!

And although I won’t see anyone today besides my hubby, unless we have to rush Shae to the hospital, I’m proudly wearing my green! So, is Rico and so far, he’s only Irish by marriage… lol However, from what we are finding in his family tree, so many people from Scotland, England and Wales… I’d be really suprized if we don’t find some Irish ancestry for him too :smiley:

Also, as my dear husband assured you, I won’t be drinking beer!! Even just smelling it makes me so sick to my stomach I can’t kiss Ric when he’s got it on his breath.

Dang good thing he only drinks one or 2 a week and that’s when he’s at his Elk’s meeting or playing with his band. He’s only drank one beer here at the house since we’ve been married :smiley:

I’ve enjoyed reading all the links that have been provided well as your posts.

Carry on… teach me some more.

I PROMISE NOT to post in green again…must have something to do with getting 6 hrs of sleep in the last 4 days. I just couldn’t control myself this time :wink:

Kathy

OK, I’ll have one for you then. Best of luck to you and your family.

OK, I’ll have one for you then. Best of luck to you and your family.

I’m Irish. From right outside of Belfast. (In the North) I’m Catholic.

I couldn’t agree more.

Ah but are you a ride? :smiley:

On the OP…

Wear what you will. Lady Chance is Irish (first generation here). Her father was born in the north and was Presbyterian.

Yet he always wore green on St Patricks Day. He said it mattered much less in the US than in did there in the 1930s and 1940s.

IrishRideGirl - I should trade names with you. My horse’s name is Irish (well, his registered name with the Jockey Club is Donnybrook Lad, but I call him Irish). What kind of horse to you have? Irish is a 6 year old 16.2 hh bay TB gelding.

StG

Thought you were from Ballycastle? Hardly the feckin’ outskirts of Belfast. Or did I randomly pull that ‘fact’ from my ass?

I third the vote for wearing the Irish Rugby shirt.

I wish I had an Irish Rugby shirt!

Anyone wanna volunteer to send me one? (just kidding… with all the vet bills for Shae the last 2 months… we’ve had to have her in there an average of once a week… we don’t have an extra penny right now).

FYI: not only did I proudly wear green yesterday, I’m wearing green again today :smiley:

Kathy

LOL

The name is actually because I love horseback riding.

I was naive to the slang term at one point and use the name as a private joke.
Aro,

I was born in one place and lived in another.

Now I live in New Jersey and work in NYC.

You didn’t pull it out of your ass. I’ve also lived in Florida and New England.

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I did have a friend who wore his UT shirt in Ireland on St. Paddy’s (dense, I know) and was nearly killed in the streets. I mean really, how oblivious do you have to be…

Since the edit feature won’t work, another post.

Aro,

I’ve also lived in NYC. Just so there is no confusion, lol. I was also engaged to a man from Ballycastle. We were planning on moving back in a few years but he passed away last year. I’m in my 40’s and have lived in a lot of places.

St. Germain,

I wish I owned a horse, but I don’t. There is a place in Brooklyn where I rent horses and ride on the beach. Occasionally I rent in New Jersey, but I don’t drive so it is much harder to get to than just getting on the train and going to Brooklyn.

“Oh it’s the biggest mix-up
That you have ever seen,
Me father he was orange
and me mother, she was green.”

Preface to a serious question: a few years back, satirist P.J. O’Rourke scoffed at the notion that the fighting in the Balkans was religious in nature. He said, “If you want to tell the Serbs, the Croatians and the Moslems apart, here’s how you do it: the Croatians are the ones who never go to Mass, the Serbs are the ones who never go to Orthodox services, and the Moslems are the ones who, six times a day, DON’T face Mecca and pray.”

That is, in O’Rourke’s view, residents of the former Yugoslavia are about the least religiously observant people he’sever encountered, and he doesn’t buy the notion that religion really has anything to do with the friction among rival groups there.

Now, I’m Irish American, not Irish, so I can’t pose as any kind of expert on religion in Ireland- I only know what I’ve observed in trips to Ireland over the years. So, I’m quite prepared to be corrected on this score. But…

I’ve gotten the strong impression over the years that Ireland has been moving steadily toward a Balkan-style apathy toward religion. Very few people I encounter in modern Ireland seem to be devout adherents of ANY religion. Oh, you can still read statistics like “the Republic of Ireland is 90% Catholic,” but that strikes me as, increasingly, a purely nominal Catholicism. Indeed, many of my Irish relatives expressed a bit of surprise that my family in America is still as observant as it is. No one was ever rude enough to SAY “Jayzus, yiz can’'t still REALLY believe in all that rubbish,” but the implication was in the air.

If I’m wrong about this, by all means, jump in here and correct me!

All this leads to my more serious question- we saw in the Balkans that religious (or at least semi-religious) conflicts can rage on long after everybody has stopped taking religion seriously. Is that the case in Ireland? I ask this even though I know very well that the roots of the conflict are complicated, FAR more complicated than Catholic vs. Protestant.

I mean, how many of the hard-liners in Northern Ireland, be they “Catholic” or “Protestant” are even devoutly religious at all, any more? Can a lapsed believer (or even a non-believer) identify himself as “Catholic” in a purely secular political sense? Can a non-believer identify with Ian Paisley, even if he thinks Paisley’s religious ideas are tommyrot?

In short, can Catholic/Protestant fighting and violence keep going, even though the faiths that helped fuel the fighting are moribund? Can/will atheist “Catholics” and atheist “Protestants” keep fighting?