Irresponsible welfare white trash

The BBQ Pit
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Homer: I’d like to help you but you really do have a hard core “Us” “Them” thing going on. It isn’t like that, really. It’s “We” and I don’t know how to convey that to you.

I find several things about your “story” hard to take. You were so involved with this family at one point, to what? Get some? And now you come in here and talk nothing but trash. I wonder what you would say if you actually got some… I’m thinking, “What a piece of white trash; she fucked me on the second date.” I’m seeing catch 22 written all over this…

I’m thinking ANYONE who has a child they can’t support or love is irresponsible. It isn’t Us/Them it’s folks. Okay? No one should have a child unless they can provide. It’s not just money, it’s love, attention and a multitude of other things. Money isn’t the end all be all. In that I just can’t agree with you. I know folks with next to nothing who are rearing some wonderful children who will one day be excellent, contributing members to our society.

Do you see that? Can you see that?

Some of the things you describe, “pinching, shoving” and the like I see in some very wealthy families… it’s not about the money, Homer, it’s about the interaction and the parenting.

Okay?

And the food type and how it’s handled? Oh my! That’s nothing, really… again, it’s not about money… it really isn’t.

But I can sit here and post all night. You won’t hear a single thing I say. And that’s okay too.

You can see things the way you want to; so can I. But I will never believe that MONEY is the prime factor in raising a child. And my tax dollars sometimes go to cheats? Well, I’m not too worried about it. If just one little bit goes to someone who really needs it, to help them rear a strong healthy child then I look at it as money well spent. So call me nuts or crazy, but most folks I know who have “used” the system really, REALLY needed that help.

Frankly, I think the “cheaters” are in the minority and what they get isn’t really worth it anyway; it’s not like they are living on caviar or something…

And you calling others “narrow minded” is just… pardon me while I erupt in maniacal laughter… but really! Pot and the Kettle, sugar pants! It’s so hard to talk about narrow when you are at the bottom of the tube!

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Aw, Byz, I don’t think he’s saying “These people suck because they’re on welfare.” He’s saying “These people suck, AND they’re on welfare.” That is, one would think that people who are dependent on state money would probably want to act a bit differently with that money, rather than to continually act irresponsibly (for some reason, I can’t remember if that ends in a “-bly” or a “-bally”… or “-gry”, for that matter :D).

But you’re right, of course… money isn’t (or, in some cases, shouldn’t) be the determining factor in a family’s upbringing. But it can have an impact, even if it’s only a small one.

Not everyone’s in it for the sex, m’dear :smiley: (But I think you knew that already).

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SPOOFE Bo Diddly - you ignorant slut! So they suck AND they are on welfare… but somehow they are held to a higher standard?! You just are like a flame three feet tall; get the fuck away from my ass!

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I’ll just go ahead and stick up for Homer, here.

Why do you assume that this family is not as bad as he says? I have known people with some of the same traits. I don’t find it hard to believe that such a family exists.

And no, I don’t think that he is holding them to a “higher standard.” Any parents deserve criticism for withholding nutritious food from their children. Obviously he isn’t complaining about “giving the kids a treat.” He is sayig that the kids get little or no nutritious food–only junk food and soda all the time.

Of course it’s not only about money. They would be crappy parents rich or poor. But right or wrong, we as American taxpayers tend to get pissed off when our tax dollars are being wasted by welfare cheats. (I don’t know whether they are officially breaking any welfare rules or not, but if they are behaving as Homer says, then they are cheating)

And quit giving him a hard time about the girl he liked. We always complain about guys thinking with their nether regions, right? Well, it sounds like he learned an important lesson here, and he is being honest about his experiences. Good for him. Sounds like the girl was a total cockteaser, anyway.

Of course there are no truly worthless people, but it sounds like these people are as close as it gets.

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I work with a guy that has a sister that is on welfare. She has been on welfare for most of her adult life. No real reason to BE on welfare, she just IS. The following is just one of the things that she has done. The transmission went out in her car. She came into our shop and got a written estimate for the repairs. It came to about $1300.00. She needed the estimate to turn into the welfare people so she could get the trans fixed. She turned in the estimate, got the money for the repairs. She then went to the wrecking yard and got a used transmission for $75.00 and pocketed the rest of the money.

What’s wrong with this picture? Welfare fraud? In my book, yes. And the topper to this is that she wanted her brother (the guy I work with) to install the transmission in her car, in her yard, for FREE !!! Wouldn’t even give him $50.00 of the $1225.00 left over from her SCAM.

She HAS been turned in to the welfare people before. It obviously did no good.

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I did a small stint as a welfare worker’s assistant during my checkered career. My boss got a man a job to help put food on the table instead of depending on welfare. It was the first job the man had worked in 2 and a half years. The poor family lived in virtual abject poverty with often no food in the house. At the end of the first month the man recieved his first paycheck in nearly three years. My boss’s job was to do follow ups and so he did a home visit. While there he asked the guy how his work was progressing.

“Great the man said.”

Then my boss asked the man what he would buy with his first meager paycheck to which the man answered.

“Well I have my eye on a pet monkey and a swing set for the kids.”

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but I am.

I’m curious as to how much the mom’s significant other helped around the house. Was he struggling to help keep the house clean, and that’s why she’s the main slob in the scenario?

I know people who have stories similar to the one Homer describes, and most of those people have significant emotional problems and/or had terrible childhoods themselves. That doesn’t mean it is wise for them to continue to have children they can only minimally care for, but some people do not have the advantages that other people started out with, and weren’t lucky enough to be raised in an environment that encouraged wisdom. And sometimes the school of hard knocks just bruises people.

Homer, it sound like you got your heart severely bruised during your association with these people, and for that, I’m sorry. It sounds like you pitched in and tried to help them, and nothing you did made any difference.

And as for the fact that you probably grew up in a much nicer environment than you describe, well, how nice for you. I guess it gives you a position from which to judge, but what good does that do except let you tell yourself that you are better than they are because of the way they behave?

I agree with previous posters that no one is worthless, and I believe there are reasons for everything, and “blaming the victims” is not helping you and possibly making you more bitter. Would it be possible for you just to let this go?

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They do and they want to, just not all of them. The American Academy of Pediatricians recommends nursing for at least a year.

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OMG!!! Call the police!!! She dares to breastfeed her daughter!!!In public!!!

So, gillygirl, does KMart have somewhere private for her to nurse? Or even a chair in the bathroom? No? Then mind your own fucking business.

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In some countries, women use this as a form of birth control, which I think the OP wanted more people to use.

gillygirl has apparently not been around people who nursed much for this to have shocked her so much.

I usually safety-pinned a receiving blanket around my shoulder to afford myself a little privacy, because I did not like to be stared at. Also, I very seldom needed to nurse in a public place. But some people do, and have differing ideas about baring their breasts in public than others, and MORE POWER TO 'EM.

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I think I should refocus the subject of my anger for you all. In the diatribe against these people, I think something was lost.

I have nothing against welfare. If you need it, you need it. If you don’t, then don’t abuse it.

As for money being a part of it… no. I live in a pretty poor area, and lots of people around here don’t have much. But they manage what they have and are grateful for it. They don’t have alot of money, so they don’t buy assloads of soda and candy. They don’t eat out every night, and they certainly don’t waste pounds and pounds of food. Yet these people have even less, and are completely careless about their budgeting and thrift, necessitating even MORE need for assistance than they would if they’d be less wasteful.

What’s pissing me off is that she’s pregnant, again. They are already not able to take care of the kids they have. They are already receiving assistance because apparently they can’t make ends meet. Yet, they continue to breed. That’s what pisses me off.

–Tim

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Tim, are you still actually just mad at your dog, and taking it out on these people?

(hugs Tim chastely, and pats his back, and - HEY! Cut that out mister!)

I personally know a “white trash” family similar to the ones you write of (through a stupid friend that married into them), that could put yours to shame. How about this:

  1. The Mom deliberately (her own words) pulled a Wal-Mart display of paint cans down on her so she could sue the store in Olathe. She got a settlement for $12,000.

  2. The yougest boy (aka, “The Criminal”) is in jail for the 5th time. His latest crime? Attacking gravestones with an aluminum baseball bat. (the prior 4 were car theft, car theft, beating up his friend because he “thought he was gay”, and car theft)

  3. The oldest girl (badly retarded because the younger girl gave her a massive overdose of allergy medicine when they were all left alone in their pre-teens while the parents went to Sturgis) is married to a guy who is homeless, and also sleeping with the younger sister, and the mother. He sleeps in and around the trash dumpster in the parking lot of their apartments - sometime on the ATSF tracks in Olathe too.

  4. The dad was arrested recently for driving an 18-wheeler with a fake license (his license has been revoked many times). He also is a convicted felon, and had several bags of pot and a .38 in the truck. And he got only 60 days in jail!!!

  5. They sell drugs out of their house, and have a constant stream of cars pulling into their apartment complex to buy from them. (where are the police? Who knows.)

  6. They have probably never written a good check in their lives, yet not only do they continue to get checking accounts, but credit cards as well! A latest scam was them getting the under-18 kids to all get multiple credit cards, after which they maxxed them all out, and laughed when the creditors came.

  7. No parent has held a legitimate job in the 10 years I’ve known of them. Yet, they keep getting money from Government programs, from scams, nuisance lawsuits, theft, and dealing drugs.

  8. They laugh at people like my friend - laugh openly - because he works so hard at his job as a manager of a Subway, when they live better off than him and don’t do any work.

  9. The worst one for last: The retarded girl whose husband lives in the dumpster? They have a little baby girl, born with hideous defects (it’s head is so mis-shapen they all call it the “little football”). It is allergic to milk. So they give it milk. It goes to the hospital. They give it milk again, it goes to the hospital. On about the 5th or 6th trip to the ER, the doctors called Child Services, and tried to have the baby taken away. The child was returned after a few weeks to the parents for reasons unknown to all. They sued the hospital, and won an out-of-court settlement SOMEHOW (around $2000 or so). The day the check cleared, they bought about 500 lottery tickets, and about 20 cases of beer, and some more drugs. And then they laughed, and said how they planned it all along, and had deliberately been giving the baby milk to try and sue the hospital for “malpractice”. Instead, they were able to have a “nuisance lawsuit” get paid off - good enough!

How do these people do it? Through pity, them being simply masterful manipulators, and Governement handouts. They can turn on the tears like a faucet, and the mother is especially good at turning into a blubbering, pitiable mess in court. Then 5 minutes later she will be laughing, and talking about the next scam she’s going to pull.

Long story, but true. These people still live in Olathe, although they have slowed down considerably since the last kids moved out.

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Just curious, how well does this work IRL?

There was a article on the news here about women who breastfeed kids well into their 3’s and 4’s, and they showed one woman breastfeeding her 7-year old daughter.

Now, as bad as that may sound - it was only one feeding a day (the girl eats normally), and they considered it a “quiet time”, where the girl naps for an hour or so with Mom while suckling. It looked strange, but at the same time very peaceful, so I couldn’t really object to it.

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Oh Anthracite, you are such a meanie. Maybe that family you described just “weren’t lucky enough to be raised in an environment that encouraged wisdom.” :rolleyes:

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I think you two missed a point. I believe gillygirl was responding to this comment:

OP’s comment:

Response:

gillygirl’s response:

She didn’t seem to be shocked or offended at the idea of breastfeeding in public, or breastfeeding in general; she seemed to be posting an example that contradicted ChrisCTP’s statement about 4-year-olds and breastfeeding.

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(See my post about being a bleeding heart liberal in this same thread.)

While I’m aware that this is not the forum for Great Debates, can you explain your position here? What’s it to you? Can’t you just let it go?

Or maybe, go volunteer at a local Big Brothers/Big Sisters club and be a healthy role model to kids who come from homes like these to try to help break the cycle.

Or maybe it makes you feel better to have someone to feel superior to.

I was a divorced mother while my three daughters were still quite small. I worked full time and completed my degree with minimal child-support and I never had to resort to welfare.

One of my friends, who had health problems, also was a single mother of three young children and she and her family relied on welfare for years, and then social security disability. She raised three pretty emotionally healthy, good citizen type kids and was able to do so because, in part, of receiving public assistance.

There are exceptions to every rule and people who abuse any privilege. I think if these people had been raised differently, they would behave differently. Be thankful that you don’t come from such a family, or if you do, be glad you have somehow escaped its influence.

You seem to have an issue with this particular family that may have more to do with your anger toward the girl with whom you were involved. Doesn’t seem to be doing you much good and does seem to be wasting your time to be angry about this (how long has it been since you stopped seeing her?).

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I understand your point.

Anthracite, that prolonged lactation thing works better for some than others. People in third world countries use(d) it for lack(no pun intended) of better birth control methods.

And then there’s Green Bean:

What was unwise about the family Anthracite described? Unusual, maybe, something you in your wisdom are not familiar with, maybe, but unwise?

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Kat- It was the “I actuallysaw…” It didn’t sound like it was something that was okay with her. ICBW, though.

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Umm, Spider Woman? That phrase in quotation marks was something that you had said about the family in the OP. I quoted you there because I was making fun of your so-called “bleeding heart liberal” contentions. The “rolleyes” smiley would suggest that I ws being sarcastic.

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I realized the quote was from me, I knew you were being sarcastic, but the whole thing didn’t wash. It would have worked better if Anthracite has actually been being mean, and the family had actually been unwise.

If you want to use sarcasm well, try practicing it first like you do with your little smilie faces.