Oh wow. I think you’re trying to flame me!
It’s my first time; I’m a flame virgin.
I beleive the breast feeding in public/till they are ‘too old’ thread has been done before, to death if I recall.
Re the OP, Homer, I dont blame you for being pissed. Not a damn bit.
It isnt about who is ‘better’ than someone else, or any of the other crap you have been accused of, its about children that are NOT being cared for (call social services? Puh-leese! Like that would do any good!) and the fact that MORE children are being brought into the world and will end up dirty, unsupervised, undernourished, and that THEY will grow up to be more of a drain on the system.
If people like that, and the other examples given, were better monitored (managed if you will) they could make something of themselves! They could become part of society instead of a constant SUCK on the resources of people who DO work.
If this woman had stopped at one, two, or even FOUR kids, think where the extra money could have gone… the homeless? the handicapped? the schools? prison reform? drug programs?
What gets to me, is that there is a LIMITED amount of cash, and people like this are sucking up WAY more than their share.
Imagine it if you will, a house with 7 kids, all of whom think that the world owes them a living. Then they all have kids, who all have kids…
If nobody steps up and says “HEY! This isnt the way its supposed to be!” than nothing will ever change.
God knows though that it is not very PC to say : Stop breeding, you welfare leech! But fuck it, I’ll say it:
If you cant support the kids you have, dont have any fucking more for the taxpayers to support!
Homer, you should write letters to your congressman, or whatever, and tell them that you dont appreciate the way YOUR money is being spent. It wont do any good, but its more effective than ranting here. AND go over and tell the leech that you are taking one of the kids to live with you, after all, YOUR MONEY PAYS FOR IT!!!
Nevermind, she probably wouldnt get it anyway.
I wasn’t trying to be mean actually. I feel badly for the way these people live, and would offer to help them maybe except I have seen what has happened to people who offer to help them. It’s sorta like what happens when you offer to help a snapping turtle:
Unrelated thread about trying to help something that doesn’t want/is too dangerous to be helped.
Love the link. I didn’t think you were being mean.
Well, breastfeeding in public isn’t what’s bad-sitting on the FLOOR though isn’t a smart idea-it gets in the way of people. Go sit on a chair in the cafe-that’s MUCH better.
Or we let people use the dressing rooms. Seriously.
But don’t block the aisles by sitting on the floor for ANY reason.
Um, excuse me? Letting trash sitting around in your HOUSE?
Letting young kids shit and piss on the floor? Do you have any idea how much DISEASE that spreads? Cholera, typhus, anyone? Scabies, lice, e.coli?
You CAN get diseases from rotten food sitting around. I’d say that’s damn irresponsible.
Well, in my case, while nursing my son, I didn’t get my period back until he was 15 months old, and didn’t ovulate until he was 2. Our kids are 2 years 10 months apart. Breastfeeding is a pretty reliable contraceptive for MOST women until the baby is ~ 6 months old. Most women get their periods back (if they’re nursing) between 9 months and a year after giving birth, but sometimes it’s possible to ovulate before getting a period and get pregnant. Some women, though, are fertile much sooner, even if the child is nursing lots.
–tygre
kellibelli says
The sarcastic quote probably would have worked better after this post. It would have made more sense then.
I had an interesting experience with the Illinois welfare people a couple weeks ago. I answered the door one afternoon to a man who showed me ID saying he was a Public Aid fraud investigator -which checked out, I’m a little cautious about these things. He had come to ask some questions about our scummy neighbors, who I’ve posted about before.
The neighbor woman (I hate to call her that, she deserves no title better than bitch, but I don’t want to insult any female dogs)he was inquiring about is a CONVICTED SEX OFFENDER, who repeatedly assaulted young boys, and has a long record of assault, battery, theft, etc etc etc in at least 3 counties in Illinois alone dating back 5 years.
With a record like that, why the HELL is she getting Public Aid??? She sits on her ass, between vandalizing my house, robbing my house, threatening her former landlord (and stabbing the former landlord’s daughter with a pair of scissors), and MY tax money is paying for this.
The investigator was only concerned that she didn’t have a job - he had tried to check out the places she claimed she’d applied to, only to find out none of them actually existed. So he was asking me if I knew if she worked or where she worked, and I told him that she didn’t appear to do anything except harass people - which is the truth.
Upshot is she is in the process of getting evicted (thank you G*d) but her Public Aid checks keep a’coming since she now rides to work with her boyfriend and claims to have a job with him.
I will not even MENTION the 11 unaltered cats she had in a two bedroom apartment, none of which were litterbox trained, and the countless litters of kittens . Of course she let the cats roam! There’s nothing quite like getting woken out of a sound sleep at 2 a.m. to cats doing the wild thing on your metal cellar door.
–tygre
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No, that is not a good idea or responsible behavior to do this. And it sounds like Homer tried to help out when he was going with the daughter of the house. But my question to Homer, and I’m still wondering, was, how much did the significant other help this woman around the house? If we’re going to be indicting her behavior, let’s be a little more equal about it.
I’m not always the best housekeeper either, but I am almost an empty nester and it has never gotten even close to what is described here. I notice when my house looks the worst is when I am depressed, and the messier it gets, the more depressed I get (and eventually I get off my ass and clean it). Could be the baby factory lady is depressed beyond her ability to help herself and has just given up.
Homer, whaddya think?
Career welfare people make everyone who needs a little help look bad. I agree that if you can’t take care of the children you have you should not have anymore children, and that goes for people who work full time jobs as well as someone who has no intention of ever working.
Here’s a story to add to the list:
This past christmas I volunteered at my church to deliver food boxes to needy families. We also purchased some gifts for the children in these families.
Well, I had a great time shopping for my two families. I enlisted Kelli’s help to do this and we both felt we were doing something worthwhile to help other people out…it was the least we could do.
The 23rd of December we were deliver our food boxes and gifts to the families. The food was packed in the churches soup kitchen, the turkeys were all picked up, the gifts were wrapped, the families had been called to let them know we were coming that evening and we were ready to deliver. The boxes were very generous plus a turkey, 10lbs of potatoes and assorted fresh veggies.
The first family we deliver to was the nicest woman I had ever met. She had fallen on hard times and just needed a little help this year. Her eyes were full of tears as she expected no gifts… just a little help with food.
I left this woman’s help after chatting for a good half hour, feeling very good about my decision to volunteer to do this.
The second family couldn’t have been any different.
I had come across this family as customers at the coffee shop I managed for the 4 years before this, so I knew this man to be rude and mean to his wife, as I had seen him act this way to her as well as to my staff. I brought in the boxes and gifts and tried to make pleasant small talk with them as they rummaged through the box… then the man turned to me and says “Is this it?”.
I was shocked. I didn’t know what to say other than “yes”.
He made a grunting noise and said thanks… and I went on my way, but I did not feel as good about this delivery.
Turns out this man the next day called the church to complain that the box was not big enough and demanded we deliver another that day. Yes… I did say DEMANDED!!
BTW, he did not get it as everything had been delivered the previous evening.
I’d like to add that neither of these families had too many kids, they both only had the one. I just thought it was a good example of two types of people needing the same kind of help and the two different attitudes.
FWIW, I will still be volunteering to help out this Christmas, and if I get another “bad” family, so be it… I’ll remember the first woman and how good it felt to help her out.
Hmmm. A teensy bit too subtle for the Pit, I think. It might have been better if you had just called me a pusillanimous pus-bag or something.
Isn’t it funny (strange, weird, hard to explain) that people tippy-toe around these folks, rarely confronting them?
We have confrontations with the alcoholics and drug addicts in our families, we encourage the young folks to get an education, we sympathize and help someone when they’re ill or injured, but we just talk among ourselves about folks like Homer’s friend’s family.
Is it a PC thing, or what? Are we so solicitous of people’s lifestyle choices that not even DHS caseworkers can tell someone to clean up their house, bathe the kids, buy some soap, buy fruit instead of chocolate?
I don’t get it. And I do the same thing. My stepson and his girlfriend recently had a baby girl. Stepson has a hard time keeping a job, and the family has no trouble getting on him about it, letting him know who’s hiring, giving him gas money to get to interviews, stuff like that.
But their house is a pit, they spend money irresponsibly, and no one says anything to them about it.
Is it like criticizing their religion? What?
We tell people what we think about how they do their hair, what they wear, the car they drive, who they date, the music they listen to – what’s so sacred about housekeeping?
We’re afraid of offending them? We don’t want them to think we think we’re “better” than they are? What?
- Anthracite wants to know whether prolonged breast-feeding really works as birth control. The short answer is “no”. Back in the 1980’s when I was doing the breast-feeding thing, my edition of the La Leche League’s handbook, which strongly advocated breast-feeding for birth control, had 4 or 5 (female) editors, every one of whom, as listed in their personal info, had at least 5 kids, and IIRC a couple of them had 8 or 9.
So no, it doesn’t work.
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I think we should all give Homer a big collective pat on the back for at least not getting this chick pregnant. As I was reading the OP, I kept waiting for him to say something like, “…and this girl is now pregnant, but I’m not sure whether I’m the father or not.” So WTG, “horny teenager who nevertheless kept his trousers zipped!” I think the Weekly World News wants to do a feature on you, Tim.
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Also, I’d like to thank him for making me feel much better about my housekeeping standards and parenting skills. My house may not be Martha Stewart’s house, but at least my kids don’t shit all over the floor and run around naked (although I have been known to throw away leftovers because nobody wanted to eat them–I can’t cook like Martha, either.)
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My own “True Life Welfare Dork Observed In Action” story: I once saw a woman go through the Kroger checkout line with a shopping cart full of TV dinners, 2 cases of Diet Pepsi, and an assortment of jumbo bags of junk food, and pay for the whole thing with food stamps. I believe she may also have had ice cream in there, I dunno, I was too flabbergasted to check and I was trying not to stare 'cause staring is rude.
“Staring is rude.” Of course it is. But so is buying junk food with public assistance money. Isn’t it?
Welfare is a right; not a privilege. Well, sure. But I’d feel some obligation to use it wisely. We’re so afraid of stepping on someone’s toes. And the person whose toes were stepped on would be outraged that anyone would tell them how to shop for food.
Sometimes I miss the days when every old busybody would tell people what to do.
Why do we pussyfoot in this area and not others? That’s not a rhetorical question. I’d like to know what people think.
So, are we saying then that it’s NOT ok for me to buy a case of Coke with my food stamps when I go grocery shopping? Or convenience foods? Or because I use food stamps to buy groceries, and FIP to help with other bills, and subsidized childcare to pay for my son’s daycare while I’m in class, it’s not ok for me to feel too tired to clean up? Not ok for me to want to spend a couple dollars now and then to go spend some time out with a friend?
Fuck that. I ain’t on welfare cuz I wanna be, I’m on it cuz I gotta be. I was hesitant to go on, because of exactly these kinds of attitudes, and I’m getting really sick and fucking tired of hearing nothing about welfare recipients than that we’re all “irresponsible white trash” (yes, Homer, I read your posts, I’m not pointing my finger at you, now, but the entire attitude in general.)
How often do we hear about airplanes landing safely and on time? Never. Wanna know why? Because airplanes land safely MOST of the time. Same way with welfare. You never hear about the people who are truly working with the system instead of trying to manipulate it, because the majority of the welfare recipients are honest. If you know that there is a fraud situation, report it. If kids are being forced to live in filth, report it. They aren’t being properly taken care of, so fucking report it. Quit bitching about welfare abusers, and try to help get the abusers out of the system so that honest people in need can benefit.
It’s a matter of degree, Chris.
There’s a big difference between you and the person (like Homer’s friend’s family) who continually (and mindlessly) squanders public assistance. Or any kind of assistance, for that matter. Why just let them do it? Because we don’t care? Because we don’t want to hurt their feelings? Because “there but for the grace of God …” Bullshit.
Nobody’s gonna begrudge you a case of Coke. But if Coke and junk food are all you have in the cart, then you’re being foolish. And if you’re being foolish with (I hate to even say this) taxpayers’ money, and the clerk rolls her eyes at you, you deserve it.
This isn’t a debate about the deserving and undeserving poor – it’s about doing right with what you have. And it’s about a parasitic, thoughtless lifestyle that pretty much assures children who will end up the same way.
Um, how do you know that? Seriously, I’m curious.
[grumbling] Probably another one of those darn female secrets like the group-flock to the bathroom and the multitude of shoes thing.[/grumbling]
Anyone care to defend this statement? WTF?
Milroyj – simply put (cuz I’m a simple person), society has a responsibility to take care of people who are unable to take care of themselves.
The only thing left to decide is how much and who gets it.
Although I guess from my comments here, I should add “and what they should do with it.”