Irresponsible welfare white trash

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temp charting and mucus observation (well you asked :wink: will give you this info. Also the absence of periods is a good clue but not an absolute clue.

DDG says that LAM doesn’t work based on the LLL women -
actually LAM (Lactational Amenerrhoea Method (sp) does work but usually only in the first 6 months and with the mother following fairly strict guidelines. The baby must be feeding a certain number of times in a 24 hour period and co-sleeping is advised. It doesn’t work for everybody, it is possible to conceive without a period, some women do ovulate before the return of their period although the majority don’t.

Hardly a pit worthy post but at least it contains the word Mucus

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Some women get a sharp pain when they ovulate. It’s also possible to keep track of your temperature and/or vaginal mucus to find out when you ovulate.

Lynn
Telling you FAR more than you ever wanted to know.

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Actually, we only have the right to the pursuit of happiness. How does being disadvantaged, ill, old, etc. give you any other rights?

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Um… in some cultures they do. And even some people in this culture. A woman I know nursed her daughter til she was four.

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It’s like this. Let’s say I go to the store and buy a case of Coke, which I do, because I love Coke. But I’m on welfare, so with my additional food stamps, I buy fruit for snacks, bread and lunch meat for lunch, hamburger, pasta, rice, maybe a few boxes of Mac and Cheese and a few TV dinners. So far so good. That’s enough food for a week. Could it be a bit more healthy? Yes. Could it be a lot worse? Certainly. For example: I buy a case of Coke, hostess cupcakes and chips for lunch, and various other forms of junk food for dinner. Or, I completely gloss over any dinner food at all, and focus solely on snacks. Do you see a differance? Why should any of us have to pay so children can become unhealthy after poor eating habits?

Well, I haven’t vacuumed in two days because I have been so busy. I also haven’t put too much of an effort to load the dishwasher for two days either. All of us slack off once in a while, or are two tired/busy to be bothered with mundane chores. That’s not a problem. The problem is when you let your child shit all over the floor, and you leave week old trash strewn across the house. Chris, if you are defending that, then I’m truly sorry for you.

Do you honestly believe that reporting it would do any good in the long run? HOnestly? Tell me, what color is the sky in your world? Are there unicorns and fairies too?

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Jesus christ, it was the fact the girl was 4 years old that fucking floored me! If it was a baby I wouldn’t have been the least bit shocked, and yes, there were plenty of places to at least sit down in a fucking chair.

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Milroyj – ???

What the hell are you talking about?

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Actually, Chris’s post illustrates EXACTLY what I mean. Here is a perfect example of the system working! She needs some help, for now, and then she will be a contributing member of society, with a child who will also contribute.

Welfare was never meant to be a lifestyle choice.

The difference between Chris and the other examples…
well, compare Cheif Scott, and John_John : they were both in the military!

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pepper said:

Do you have like a book of funny nasty comments? Can I use that one at work?

Fuck that was funny.

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Auntie Pam,

My question was serious. Where do you think all these “rights” come from? There’s some kinda “right” to welfare? I think not.

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No book. That was a true Pepper Original. Feel free to use it. :slight_smile:

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Just to clarify…I WAS shocked to see a 4 year old breast feed!

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Milroyj – I quoted a war cry from the 60’s. (I even had it on a tee-shirt once.) It was useful in a time when people had to impoverish themselves before getting some help. And when caseworkers had much more power than they do today and rules were applied unevenly, depending on where you lived, who you lived with, and the color of your skin.

And the saying probably alleviated a bit of the “guilt” some folks might have felt at accepting what other folks thought of as a “handout” instead of a “hand up.”

Public assistance programs exist, with state and federal laws and rules delineating how it is apportioned, who is eligible, and how to get it. So in a legal sense, welfare is a “right”.

And I expect that if you’ve been working, and paying taxes, and later become disabled and unable to care for yourself, you might believe that you have a “right” to make use of programs that you helped pay for. ???

I don’t know about you, but I don’t relish the thought of what would happen if these programs didn’t exist.

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Pepper, my sky is as blue as yours. There’s a reason why people have to jump through so many hoops to get food stamps, FIP, etc. If you’ve ever applied, you know it’s a pain in the ass. If you’ve ever had a friend who needed to apply, ask them.

DHS is pretty damn particular about their money. They don’t want to give it away to anyone who doesn’t need it. Everytime someone gives me a gift of money, or a loan, or anything that even slightly betters my situation, I am required to report that to my DHS worker, or face fraud charges. I don’t want to go to jail, so I report it. And they don’t just take my word for it, either. They want a letter from the person who gave me the gift/cash/whatever as proof.

Yeah, I definitely do think that reporting to the DHS is going to help. I think that reporting to Child Services is going to help. What the hell do you think they’re there for? If they come in, tell the offenders that they need to do X,Y and Z, and the offenders comply, there’s no need to go back. If the offenders only comply long enough to get DHS and CS off their asses, and then go back to the same patterns, call again. Call over and over and over again until the situation is resolved. The reason why nothing ever happens is because nobody ever does anything. Or they give up too easily. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. It’s five minutes out of your life to attempt to protect an ill-cared-for child. So do it.

I’m not defending that. Please point out where I completely contradicted myself by essentially saying that it’s ok to neglect a child by letting him live in filth.

What I’m taking issue with is the notion that welfare recipients are all lazy, irresponsible dumpster-dwellers who manipulate the system while they get fat off candy bars and ON-Cor dinners and let their grubby little demon-spawn bully other kids. I will agree that I was way off-base about the family in the OP, but ALL welfare-receiving families are not like that. (I’ll also concede that I was wrong about kids not breast-feeding for such long periods of time. I’ve personally never met a kid who did, and certainly not after they were old enough to realize that there were other things to eat.)

You gotta understand, I feel fucking low as it is, knowing that I have ZERO choice. I have to take all the welfare and goodwill I can get my hands on. I’m advocating this stuff, because without it, I’d be a fucking cocktail waitress in the evenings and an office peon in the daytime. I’d never get to see my son, and I’d never get to go to college to work on a degree to get a job that actually will provide for us in the future. Families like Homer and Valerie’s examples are the types of families that have caused there to be such a stigma associated with welfare. The only way I can do anything to corrode that stigma is to illustrate that cases like that are absolutely not the norm, and when you see a case like that, or you even suspect it, you NEED to report it.

If you don’t like the idea of your [tax] money being squandered, then TELL SOMEONE who might be able to FIX IT.

And Pep?

You’re fuckin’ right there are. Why aren’t there any in your world?

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OK, I want to flame somebody. But I’m not sure if I want to go the welfare route or the prolonged lactation route.

Perhaps a third option will present itself.

And in my state, where we’ve had a mean old Republican governor for many years, welfare recipients must work if they can, or no welfare.

The state’s actually done a pretty good job winnowing out the professional-welfare-recipient families. I think George W. Bush wants to take Michigan’s model nationwide (although I don’t know how that will work, when it’s a states issue).

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I have absolutely no problem with needy people using the welfare system to get on their feet. I do have a HUGE problem with my tax dollars going to support those who abuse the system.

Chris, you have no reason to defend yourself. It sounds like you are using the system they was it is meant to be used. I do think that you need to understand that not all people are like you.

Regarding the OP.

I am not sure why some posters are slamming you and your OP. I have also known families a lot like the family you describe. They popped out kid after kid after kid when they clearly could not support the ones they already had. This mother once jokingly said to me “Jessica is almost five years old, you know what that means, I either find a job or get knocked up.” Evidentally, when the youngest child turns 5 years old, the parent(s) must show proof of school attendance or that they are actively looking for job placement. At least this is the way it is in Utah.

This woman was pregnant within 2 months.

I won’t bother you with the details of how they were actually locked out of their home because it was condemned for being so filthy. Neighbors had reported rats and overpowering smell coming from their property. They found a rotten deer carcuss in the basement. There is absolutely no excuse for that no matter how poor they are.

Being poor doesn’t mean you should be filthy, lazy, or let your kids run wild. You don’t have to live in a mansion or drive a Rolls to be able to wash dishes or push a broom. It doesn’t cost a cent to discipline your kids or at least teach them not to shit on the floor or pee down a heat vent.

Being poor doesn’t mean you have to punch holes in the wall or let the dogs poop turn white in the corner.

I would be less than honest to say that I do expect those who receive food stamps to use that money to feed their kids nutritionally, although I agree that ice cream and candy and pop is something that they have a right to enjoy just as much as those of use who aren’t on food stamps.

I think Homer’s OP was more to bitch about a woman having another baby when she couldn’t take care of the kids she already has and also the filthy way they live. For that I have to agree 100 percent. It is povertly level families such as this that give the others a bad rap. No all are lazy, dirty, slobs.

Without going into the debates of breastfeeding over the age of 18 months, I’ll make a couple of comments.

A four year old is much too old to be drinking from a bottle or a tit. Period.

If a mother can not tell a 4 year old (who still nurses) to wait until they leave the store, then there is obviously some lack of parental authority going on.

Could this woman not find a chair? Girlygirl said they were available, and if all else failed, why not the dressing room or a bench in the shoe department? A grown woman planting her ass on the floor at K-Mart, breastfeeding or not, is very bizarre. It sounds as if she was a little “off”.

I hardly think the kid was going to starve to death before the Blue Light Special.

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[hijack]
Thanks for the creative cussin’ words.

I wouldn’t want to call you that because I’ve always liked Green Beans. But I think I’ll save it in case anyone ever starts a creative flaming thread.

Catch ya later! :slight_smile: (I’m practicing my smilies too).

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A-fucking-men!

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About the prolonged nursing, what is the big fucking deal? Is it hurting you? If you don’t like it you don’t have to do it. I do not see what it has to do with anyone else. What about the 3 & 4 year olds I see with pacifiers, and the 5 year olds still strapped in their strollers?

Ok, so she shouldn’t have been sitting on the floor, but Gillygirl said that it was the nursing of the child that “shocked” her. From now on I’ll be taking all my childrearing advice from the Kmart associate with no kids :rolleyes

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I got so excited arguing with milroyj, I forgot to mention that a woman who works at a local doctor’s office reportedly nursed her son until he was six.

I haven’t seen it though (of course not, how would I?) – it’s just hearsay. She told a co-worker that she wasn’t sure what would happen when he started kindergarten. I guess if I were the teacher, I’d keep my shirt tucked in.