What are the limits of their power?
That doesn’t answer my question. Other than the ability to enter a room, what powers does this man have?
The limits of their power are, for lack of a better term, the limits of head of government power.
Powers that heads of government do not have.
So… is he a wizard? Can he levitate? Is he telepathic? Is he a psychopomp, with great pull among the spirits of the dead? Are his powers supernatural or magical in origin?
'cuz otherwise, I can’t see where you’re going with this. You have to spell it out more plainly.
For instance?
For instance?
There are powers that heads of government have and there are powers that heads of government do not have.
Heads of government by themselves or with other heads of government are able to _______________________________.
Heads of government by themselves or with other heads of government are not able to _______________________________..
Dude, seriously? I asked for examples and you give me blanks?
Give me examples.
that made me chuckle hard
Beardpig you have been amazingly patient 
very nice posts! kudos
but I fear it’s not a question of objectivity and clear thinking.. kozmics problem is that he absolutely wants to believe in it. So it comes down to trying to propve to a believer that his god does not exist :smack:
… with the support of their people, do anything their people have the physical, technical, or tactical prowess to do, culminating in Rule by Charisma, should the leader be popular enough, which creates absolute power so long as it lasts.
… create too much resentment among their own people, act outside of the constraints of their laws without getting in trouble.
Is that what you’re leading towards? That this mysterious Illuminatus is able to do the governments’ dirty work for them? Because last I checked, governments could do their own dirty work.
french government has the foreign legion for that … so I guess other countries have other solutions
It is not that easy to give examples, especially for the heads of government, collectively. I was drawing a blank. 
I will give you examples as soon as I can.
I await them with bated breath.
Yeah, from what I can see all possible powers exist within a nation’s constitution, divided between people, legislature, executive and courts. There are no ‘powers’ left for this world leader bar what they give him (on the condition they can take those powers away at will).
This doesn’t address the question asked. The question is why “No one except heads of government would know that there is an individual with that much power.” Why would that be the case, exactly?
I have decided to take Kozmik’s fantasies as a metaphor for Faith, the Second Coming, or that the G-192 Summit will take place under the Bodhi Tree.
Obviously, also, unless this Pantocrator (we should agree on what to call this shadowy super-figure; I propose Pantocrator) is a wizard, he takes his puissance from the loyalty and service of others.
If there really is a figure who has amassed the true loyalty of many office-holders, such that they will use their powers at his command rather than at the direction of their legitimate authorities (cops being told to look the other way, bankers told to deny or extend credit based on his agenda, killers and spies who target his enemies, journalists who smear people at his command), well, all of these people have to know. If someone calls you on the phone and says ‘spy on/smear/murder this guy,’ then you know that someone wants this guy spied on, smeared, or murdered. You can’t keep something secret from the people you want doing it.
The way I almost see this working, is that Kozmik imagines there to be people in this world - hundreds, thousands, millions of people - who lead double-lives. On the one hand, they are ordinary folks, doing work here and there, holding offices here and there, as circumstances dictate. Some are police, some are politicians, some are journalists, some are soldiers, and some are just very wealthy people. On the other hand, they are all sworn invisibly into a kind of cult, a massive and enormous conspiracy, whereby all of them have a mechanism for receiving commands from a hidden source - the Pantocrator and his immediate subjects - which they then obey, regardless of other loyalties.
So, in short, we have a secret society that, if this really is the world’s most powerful man, is tens of thousands to tens of millions strong. Such a society could not simply be sustained by money alone; a cabal of billionaires couldn’t simply bribe people into doing what they wanted, because sooner or later, someone would crack. Remember that many of the national governments already have organisations like this - every government in the world maintains a secret police service, the 5 most feared and powerful being the 5 belonging to the permanent members of the UNSC - and most of them already possess this level of loyalty and esprit de corps. Bribery does not create real loyalty, and without real loyalty, well, we have ways of making them talk. Not torture, torture is pointless; no, I mean that the science of interrogation is such that it will entirely unmake and remake a person into wanting to talk and spill their guts, of essentially their own free will. Pair that with technical and labor-intensive surveillance - both of which the Big 5 can do without a problem - and this conspiracy would be impossible to maintain. And as to the proposition that these security services are the source of the Pantocrator’s power, well, let’s reject that out of hand; the custodians of civil society watch each other constantly, and China’s MSS and Russia’s FSB take an obscenely ruthless approach to departmental purity. (Plus, there comes a point where people can’t be bribed; if a person’s already effectively a billionaire, what’s another billion to them? Is it worth risking a necklace* for a slightly bigger private jet?)
No, for this really to work, and more importantly for it really to work without the general knowledge of the governments - in short, for this appearance by the Pantocrator on the floor of this assembly chamber to be the first time these Ps, Ps, and PMs realize his existence - then it would have to be driven by loyalty, real loyalty to a person and to an ideology.
So what’s the ideology? What is this Pantocrator espousing that makes everyone so willing to follow him?
China’s your big problem here; in 1949, all existing government officials were killed or driven into exile. They restructured their agencies completely; unless Chairman Mao were personally under this Pantocrator’s power, then the succession of authority was completely broken in 1949 and there would never have been a chance for the Pantocrator to rebuild it. Unless Kang Sheng - last director of the CDSA and first director of the MSS - was one of the Pantocrator’s people, then Kang Sheng would have been ruthless in purging the Pantocrator’s people out, and so would his successors and so on to the present day.
*Getting a necklace is an awful, awful way to die.
The reason you can’t do it is because with the people and the legislatures - I’m going to call them Thegnmoots - with the people and the Thegnmoots behind them, heads of government - by which I mean governments - have all powers.
You may as well ask, ‘if a bunch of people get together and decide communally to do something, what are the limits of what they can decide to do?’ It’s constrained only by their group abilities.
The Pantocrator would possess an understanding of politics and psychology, among others things, that, for lack of a better word, is frightening. The Pantocrator would sit at the proverbial top, looking down at the affairs of the world, detached yet involved. The Patocrator would receive The New York Times every day, and, for example, on a certain day, March 20, 2003, would look at the headline on the front page and say, “very good”, knowing that, while he did not personally write that headline, he made that headline happen.
You are close with your double lives analogy. The state of the world as it is with 7 billion people and 192 heads of state is quantitatively and qualitatively different from the state of the world as it would be with 7 billion people and 192 heads of state and the Pantocrator.
How do you bribe a billionaire? There is, for lack of a better term, a world behind the world as most people know. Billionaires perhaps know of this other world. Then again, perhaps not. What is money? Not power, not real power anyway.
Which brings me your question, what’s the ideology? The ideology is the ideology that causes the G-192 as an organisation to be formed, much in the same way other ideologies caused the UN and NATO to be formed. In 2012, this ideology is perhaps yet unknown. In the future, it will be known.
As we’ve mentioned in all of your threads, this is a fairy tale. You could have just as easily said the Pantocrator can fly, intuitively understand all languages, and make Steve Guttenberg a star. It still makes absolutely no sense that this person could possibly exist, and no amount of your handwaving and nonsense will change that.
I’m very sorry Kozmik, but as we have told you before, although you can imagine a given scenario or situation, there is no reason to expect your fantasies to become reality. Persons who cannot seperate day-dreams from real life, or who believe they have the power to force reality to follow their imagination, often can benefit from speaking with a mental health professional.
(Note: This is not to be confused with visionaries who *work *to create a situation that they have dreamt of; I am only talking of folks who believe that their fantasies will manifest spontaneously simply because they believe in them.)
I am glad you are making that distinction, DrFidelius.