You haven’t explained to us: even if such a man existed, what could he do to those world leaders who refuse to do what he says? As always, I need examples.
So… do *you *plan to become this man?
Any chance of addressing my original question of why “No one except heads of government would know that there is an individual with that much power”? Aside from the spooky factor, what would the reason for this be? If heads of state are aware of his existence, why keep it secret? What happens when heads of state change? Why would former heads of state not reveal his existence? Do they lose knowledge of his existence somehow when they are no longer in power?
And within that room, they will be serving pigs in blankets. I hope that makes everything clear.
Because, in this analysis, there are 7 billion people, 192 heads of government, and the Pantocrator. Obviously for the Pantocrator it would not be a question of knowing that there is an individual with that much power. Would any of the 7 billion people in the world know that there is an individual that has that much power? Or that there could be an individual with that much power?
There is a difference between aware of his existence and knowing who he is and aware of his existence and not knowing who he is.
Because they are irrelevant, no one would believe them, or, instead of losing power, they could lose other things.
There’s no way for this person to wield power without a network of people who not only know him but grant him power. If you don’t know who this person is, why can’t anyone claim to be him? You’ve invented the most powerful person on the planet, with the notable problem that it’s impossible for him to get anything done. Congratulations, you’ve managed to eliminate the problem before it ever got started.
There’s billions of people, the 192 heads of government, the Pantocrator, and a network of people. You see, the network of people grant one of them the power to go before the G-192 summit if you can call it being granted power. The others in the network of people are more powerful than the Pantocrator. It would be beneath some of the more powerful of the network of people to go before even the heads of goverment.
That’s why I wrote -
See, at the Pantocrator level of power, it is not getting more power, is it devolving power. Because, to the heads of government, it’s not that the Pantocrator is the most powerful person on the planet, it’s that the Pantocrator is the most powerful known person on the planet. The people know of the 192 heads of government. The 192 heads of government know of the Pantocrator. The 192 heads of government do not know of the network of people behind the Pantocrator.
How does the Pantocrator control his network of people? What does he preach to them, that they want to follow him? Or does he rule them through fear? Or is it straight bribery? How does the Pantocrator resist power challenges from within his own organization?
And if Vladimir Putin is aware that there is such a man, then it logically follows that he has a network of people supporting him. How can their operatives hide from the FSB? It has no scruples and no limits, except for Russian borders. It’s the same in China; no court of law controls the MSS. How can the Pantocrator resist their power?
No, the network of people control the Pantocrator.
Again, there’s the people, the 192 heads of government, and the Pantocrator, and then there’s the network of people behind the Pantocrator.
And there’s, what? 10 of them? A council of European hyper-billionaires who sit around a table, drink fine wine, and plot their next move?
What about all the thousands or tens of thousands of people whose labors empower this agency? That’s who I’m interested in. How do they evade the FSB and the MSS?
Sure, why not. You’re just talking in circles and not actually answering the question of why the existence of this shadowy figure would only be known to the current heads of states.
Yeah, former heads of state are irrelevant and nobody would listen to them. Just to pull a couple quick examples out of a hat, that must be why former US presidents never endorse candidates in elections or write memoirs. I mean they’re irrelevant and nobody would believe anything they said, right?
Yup, just like before you’re talking in circles and saying nothing. People can’t support someone they don’t know. If people know him, they can oppose him. Your whole world view is nonsensical.
I have never encountered a more pristine example of the results of ignoring Occam’s warning that entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity. Absolutely stunning.
Come on, Kozmik. We aren’t done yet. We’re gonna hash this all out, you and I. We’re gonna talk it through and figure out what’s what. I’m not gonna walk away from this. Come back now, and let’s do some more. We’re in too deep, buddy, we gotta see this through.
As near as I can tell, here’s where we’re at so far. I have made a mad diligent study of your works to date, and I think this is your major hypothesis. Correct me if I’m wrong, but here we have it:
*There exists, at this present time, an organization of individuals that we may tentatively call The Illuminati, though they may or may not have a legitimate continuity with the original Bavarian secret society by that name. Their ideology is unknown, though it presumably has some altruistic focus, such as ensuring world peace and prosperity through absolute autocracy. Their ends are inscrutable, but involve accruing as much power - political, financial, cultural, and military - as possible. For the time being, the elect to act in secret as much as possible.
The agency is led by a group I will refer to as The Presidium. It is unknown how many members of the Presidium there are, but the number is probably not more than 10 or 15 - if there’s more, then there’s an even further inner group that actually controls the Illuminati’s agenda. There may or may not be a single, supreme hyper-ruler, whom I will refer to as Number 1. Number 1 may be an absolute dictator of the organization, or he may be a first-among-equals of the Presidium. It is unknown whether members of the Presidium are powerful figures in their public lives, or are purely anonymous.
The Illuminati has a massive network of servants, retainers, and operatives. Indeed, this group is certainly the most fearsome and powerful intelligence agencies in the world, able to hide from all of the UN Security Council’s tremendous security services simultaneously, without getting caught. It has unlimited quantities of blackmail material, and comfortably surveil - or assassinate - anybody in the world without getting caught. They may or may not have been involved in the Dominique Strauss-Kahn affair.
One of their most important services is the Pantocrator. His task is to appear, to world leaders, as the leader of the Illuminati. He is being held in reserve for the mythical G-192, when he will personally address the combined heads of state in the world and lay out the Illuminati’s agendas to them, urging them to follow the Illuminati’s dictates. It is unknown whether he is a power-player in his own right, or whether he is simply an actor, carefully trained for this one great appearance.*
Does that about cover it, Kozmik?
Oh - I forgot one important paragraph, and thought of it too late. It should probably be the new third paragraph and move the last one down to fourth, so use your imagination.
The Illuminati has many servants who genuinely believe in the agency’s goals and ideologies - that the world must unite under a firm hand to bring about a new era of prosperity. At the same time, however, they use their tremendous financial clout - a budget of at least 100 billion dollars a year - to employ an even larger web of people who have no idea that they work for the Illuminati, some of whom are just amoral mercenaries but most of whom have no idea that they work for the Illuminati. They may even raise up entirely causes, movements, and ideologies - ideologies that may even be diametrically opposed to their own - for the purpose of increasing their effective numbers and the amount of force and power they can bring to bear. Through a careful network of treachery, bribery, and ruthlessness, they can command a workforce of millions, even if it must be done in a sometimes roundabout way.
You realize that now he’s going to cite you as proof that you agree with him?
He and I have come this far; I’m going to see it through.
Godspeed, but all evidence indicates that you’re traveling this path alone.
Every once in a while a man encounters a person whom he clearly recognizes to be superior. In an earlier age the term “saintly” would have been used. We are in the presence of one such person.
My hat is off to you, Scholar Beardpig. You are an inspiration to us all.
In the final analysis, there’s the populus, the G-192, the Pantocrator, the Presidium, and the Anarch. The populus is everyone who is not of the G-192, of the Presidium, or the Pantocrator or the Anarch. The populus includes millionaires and billionaires, the rich and the poor, people in government, the 1%, the 99%, the 47%, the 30%.
You are close in surmising that the Presidium is no more than 10 or 15 members; the Presidium would be no more than 192 members. Being multinational in nature the Presidium would be smaller than the G-192. One is reminded of divide et impera.
I want to emphasize that the workings and dynamics of power for the Pantocrator is not power that is commonly thought of. It is devolved power - it is a member of the Presidium coming from on high to a lower level to address the G-192. For the Pantocrator, who isn’t even close to being among the highest members of the Presidium, it is beneath him - even him - to even address the “common” heads of government. Notice that the way it is organized - the populus, the G-192, the Pantocrator, the Presidium, and the Anarch - it is like a pyramid with an inverted pyramid intersecting.
And the Pantocrator is the intersection.
From this view, it can hopefully be comprehended after further commentary and reply that the Anarch is above ideology and organization, above power. That to the Anarch dictators are mere pawns. That the Anarch is above those who supposedly control finance, media, military, ect. That the Anarch controls those who control those who control finance, media, military, ect. That the Anarch controls all religions, all political movements, ect. The Pope, the Dalai Lama, and the Ayatollah. The Queen. The Anarch is the all-seeing eye.
Except that there’s no evidence for this organization existing, lots of concrete and irrefutable evidence that it doesn’t exist, and no possible mechanism for it to work even if it did exist. You keep spinning webs of intrigue and every time someone acknowledges that there is a kernel of truth in your silo of grain you use that as a stepping off point for further fantasies.
You have a person who doesn’t exist, supported by an organization that doesn’t exist, coming to speak to an assembly of heads of state that doesn’t exist, and somehow you think this makes a coherent point simple because someone did the legwork for you to type it all out?