But you see, I don’t buy that. If they have residual anger, it’s because we have race pimps like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and yes, Jeremiah Wright stoking it all the time. If you want to say you can diminish someone by calling them a name, then who hasn’t been called a name some time in their lives? If you have to work twice as hard to get the same recognition, (whether it be due to skin color or gender or even if you have a receding hairline), then you work just as hard. That’s life, man. Life ain’t fair.
You are very lucky if you think life is always that simple. Keeping things within the thread, re-read Folacin’s story about his brother and his brother’s HS girlfriend. Their relationship may or may not have made it, but it could not stand against the gal’s family’s anti-Catholic prejudices.
I’d suggest trying to have honest conversations with your real-world colleagues of color, or your Army buddies of color, about their experiences with racism. I think you’ll learn that sometimes working twice or three times as hard isn’t enough if you’re a minority. You may also get some insight into why race-baiting jerks like Sharpton, Jackson, Wright, etc., get any traction at all within the African-American community.
I no fan of Sharpton, but the best thing I ever saw him in was a segment of the Daily Show where he and Stewart talked about the revelation that Strom Thurmond’s great-grandfather owned Sharpton’s great-grandfather. Stewart said he knew his great-grandfather, so Sharpton had been in direct contact with a man who had been a slave, or at most one person removed. Speaking as someone who also knew one of his great-grandfathers, and quoting Faulkner, “The past is not dead. In fact, it’s not even past.”
Really!!!
More jobs created in the private sector recently than anywhere in the US.
No state income tax.
Lower unemployment.
All on paper, of course. OF course!!!
Every conservative knows Arnie is a RINO. He is a liberal.
You are kiddin, right?
Prop 13 is the only thing that bankrupted California? Get real.
And FYI Texas turned down some federal funds for education because of all the strings attached.
You said “solvent.” I was pointing out the budget issues that make the determination that Texas is solvent problematic. You didn’t mention any of the other things you listed.
This may not matter to anyone else, but I like Bachmann because she stands for fiscal responsibility, as not raising the debt ceiling (me adding unless we get more up front spending cuts than the raised), repealing Obamacare, strengthening the traditional family, and secure borders, don’t raise taxes during a recession, to name a few things.
These may not appeal to you, but they do to me. (No, I’m not rich!)
Not in the same category, since if you really believe in that silly nonsense, then you really believe people’s souls are at risk. I personally rejected the notion that God can be such a prick that he’ll condemn otherwise good people to hell, but hey, people really believe that crap. On both sides.
Oh, I have. my attitudes aren’t moved. Frankly, instead of whining about “racists”, they need to clean up their own acts.
What I remember about Sharpton is that he perpetrated the Tawana Brawley rape hoax and tried to destroy a lot of people in the process. The man should never be allowed in polite society after that.
A republican lacky paraphrasing Jimmy Carter!??:eek:
Guy, you ain’t nearly recovered enough yet!
*Pres. Jimmy Carter, news conference, Washington, D.C., July 12, 1977.
Not the only thing, by a long shot. But a primary contribution, definitely.
Wow - are you talking about individuals cleaning up their act? One of my eye-opening moments happened during what we’d now call diversity training (it was in the 80’s, so I think it had another name back then). Basically, an all hands meeting of our programming staff. The facilitator asked all of the African-American’s who had been stopped for ‘driving while black’/‘shopping while black’/etc to stand.
I think all but one (maybe two) stood up. Some may have been playing a victim card, but most were solid, middle-class professionals who were in turn the children of solid, middle-class professionals.
Unless you’re suggesting that harassing one citizen for the actions of (stereotype alert) inner-city gang-bangers is acceptable. Although I guess it’s in line with the ‘assume all Muslims are terrorists’ meme popular on the right (I don’t recall reading anything like that from you - so no personal slam intended).
Not what I said, Knorf pointed out.
Oh yeah, the original topic. Thanks for bringing us back, **galveston[/]!
Some quick counter points:
Did Bachmann vote for Bush’s budgets in '07 or '08? If so she has no credibility on the fiscal responsibility thing. Every POTUS at least as far back as Nixon has promised to balance the budget. Only Clinton delivered on that promise. Who, by the way, raised taxes during a recession and thereby stabilized the federal budget and the economy as a whole. Rather than the economic disaster predicted by the Congressional Republicans we had a string of prosperous years undet Bubba.
Obamacare will save the government money in the short and long run. You may not like that particular fact, but there it is. Also the health insurance system the PPACA replaced was not sustainable. Within a score of years you would only have millionaires insured. Another unhappy fact but there it is. Repeal will also be extremely difficult. Few health care bills have been successfilly repealed - I believe just 1 in US history. The PPACA has helped my family simply by ensuring my kids are covered under my plan until age 26. My kids have diagnosed special needs - this is huge and I am not letting it go.
As for “protecting the traditional family” - I have followed the debate about legalizing gay marriage for years now and I have yet to encounter a reason for preventing gays from marrying in our very pluralistic society other than “gay sex is icky and I don’t like it”. Straight marriages are not limited to only christians, or people who have or will produce children, or even limited to one couple for life. If you are voting for any candidate on this issue you are being had. Conservatives have promised much to social conservatives in the last 30+ years, but delivered zero. I contend that the way to help families is not by using the legal system to cudgel them into outdated pidgeon holes.
I believe you’ve dropped your sporran.
Every true conservative!
CMC fnord!
BUt that’s exactly my point, isn’t it? They might not be the ones engaging in the unacceptable behavior, but there is too much tolerance of the ones who are.
When you have rap music glorifying bad behavior, when you have a 65% illegitimacy rate in that community, and so on, really, there’s a point where you need to stop blaming whitey.
"“We need fathers to realize that responsibility does not end at conception.” …“Too many fathers are M.I.A, too many fathers are AWOL, missing from too many lives and too many homes,” - Barack Obama.
Since you brought up the issue of muslims, I guess I do have a real problem with the TSA patted down and strip searching middle aged white people when there hasn’t been a rash of old people blowing stuff up. But we wouldn’t want to OFFEND anyone by going after the people more likely to engage in the bad behavior.
So what you’re saying is, it’s OK to be racist, because blacks really are uneducated and poorly-behaved? And that it doesn’t matter if an individual black person actually is well-behaved and educated, it’s still OK to assume that he’s not, just because of his skin color?
Just to try to get the content-to-nonsense ration up in this thread, here is what Bachmann said about Rev. Wright back in 2008:
If Rev. Wright’s sayings (according to Michelle Bachmann) imply that Barack Obama is Anti-American, then I can only assume that her preacher’s comments imply that she is Anti-Catholic. She happily jumped on that wagon back in 2008, even after Obama disavowed Wright’s rhetoric.
The rest of her conversation is here: http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2008/10/22/31130/bachmann-doubles-down/
This is so fun! Drop a bait in the pond and see what hits.
My observation: ** The devout do not joke**
Progressives attempt to reason. Conservatives hit with bumper sticker-depth slogans.
Conservatives just cannot take a step back and look at their reasoning. Attack, attack, attack to the point of absurdity. But they miss the absurdity because they cannot self-assess. Progressives think “Why can’t we all be reasonable?” Because reason is a fairly recent invention and is quite contradictory to the fundamental nature of human beings.
So at the end of the day, who will be marginalized and who will continue a meaningful debate?
Well done! I had tried in vain for quite a few minutes to find that! (I knew she had made some comment.) And that is what makes this pertinent. As Simplico had said
With that hint I’ll add to your link. Here is more on what she said then:
In fact, here is the whole transcript! Coming out swinging is an understatement. Obama’s renounced associations were enough to call for an investigation into his Anti-American activities.
So Simplico? Ping your hypocrisy meter yet?
[hijack] Back when people from the Asian subcontinent were pretty new to Chicago’s suburbs an Indian doctor asked my wife why shopkeepers would follow her as she shopped.
“They probably think you are a Gypsy.” [/hijack]