Per the Paula Deen fiasco it seems that we have thankfully progressed to the point that being an open or casual racist, even if you did it in the past, is no longer even marginally socially acceptable. Per this local Facebook post below I wondered if the man being open about his racism was more ethical than if he kept his mouth shut then blew up after he wangled it out of her after a few dates.
If being an “open racist” means it affects how you treat people, how you speak and act, and being a “hidden crypto-racist” means you treat everyone equally but harbor racist ideas in your mind, then no, being an open racist is not more ethical.
“Saying the N word
isn’t ignorance?
And screening
girls you wanna
talk to to see if
they date black
isn’t ignorance?”
This could mean a lot of things but ignorance is low in possibility. Maybe people just don’t consult the Webster anymore.
And there’s now no longer any reason for this thread.
Unless you mean “they harbour racist Sentiments, which are manifested in their discriminatory ways, but they wouldn’t openly voice their racism.”
E.g., it’s entirely possible that you disapprove of interracial marriage, hate Barack Obama, and are scared when you see young black men late at night. But if anyone asked you, you would vehemently deny racism, and say all the right and politically correct things.
In general it really depends, but for the example in the OP, I think it’s more ethical to be upfront about it so the other person doesn’t have to waste their time with an asshole. Well, maybe not more ethical exactly, because the person isn’t doing it out of a sense of ethics I assume, but it does work out better.
I’ve had a few white guys who were racist but wouldn’t admit it want to date me even though they knew I date black men and have a biracial daughter. It would be better if they’d just be honest with themselves and others and accept that their views are racist and then either live with that openly or change it if they’re not comfortable being racist.
On the other hand no one wants to have people going around openly making racist remarks to them out of nowhere. But if you’re honest about your views when it comes up, yes, that’s generally better.
Well, I dunno. Are you a racist if you dislike black people? Are you a heightist if you dislike short people? Are you a rightist if you dislike left-handed people?
Or could it be that having a preference regarding with whom you wish to associate is valid, and that expressing such a preference is also valid (I’ll bet that most black folks prefer to hang with other black folks, and that if any one of them said as much, he would not be called a racist)?
WTF point are you even trying to make? No one actually dislikes shorties or lefties. If someone did, in addition to being a nutjob, yes, it would make them some “-ist” word that doesn’t exist because it’s not a real thing.
You did, evidently, indeed miss my point. Utterly.
The person in the op is being upfront in order to avoid other people who are more open minded, ie who are happy to date other races.
That reads to me as more a self-serving motivation than particularly ethical, ie concerned for the other person in any way.
Otara
Then clarify.
This. Eliminating racism is impossible - the best any society can hope for is legally eliminating institutionalized discrimination and stigmatizing overt racist attitudes to the point they are sublimated. It will always be out there, for various reasons, until humanity is so genetically mixed no one can sort out anyone else. At which point we’ll latch onto something else.
That said, in my opinion there’s one area where whatever warped attitudes someone has are sacrosanct and that’s choosing a mate. Who you choose to live your life with or even be intimate with is one area where you don’t have to justify your preferences to anyone, no matter how unpleasant they are to others. As long as dude is willing to live with the consequences his little quiz results in (women leaving in disgust), it’s on him.
FWIW, this is one of those willful blind spots a lot of white guys I’ve known mention: “I’m not racist (eyeroll mine), but I wouldn’t date/marry a woman that’s dated a black guy.”
The hidden racist is easily more ethical. This is something most of us learn at childhood.
Remember Bambi?
Thumper: If you can’t say something about someone then don’t say nothing at all.
Thumper is a tautologist?
LOL, I forgot the nice. If you can’t say something nice about someone, then don’t say nothing at all.
tralfamidor is just a very, very ethical guy, you know?
The ass-wipes always come out after a few days.
A lot of people have hidden views, preferences, thoughts, but they act like a civil person in public. It’s called living in a society. If everybody said every screwball thing that popped into their head it would be hard to be out in public.
You are exactly right. Which is why my post is directly after yours.
I’d rather know exactly who I’m dealing with than find out far into a relationship that the person holds ignorant beliefs. So I believe that an open racist is much more ethical. Kind of like being a fetishist, you pretty much have to lay it on the table pretty early on, or else you may feel lied to.