At one time I opposed them because I thought the people in such relationships would have a hard time as would the children of such unions. When I realized how silly my reasoning was on the subject I changed my mind. Not that I remember what prompted me to change my mind. I certainly never actively opposed such relationships but I don’t think I was being racist in my disapproval. I was very misguided though.
That still pales in comparison with the Blacks’ experience.
Largely because there were more blacks, and most Chinese and other Asians came in after the slavery period.
Never mind the sheer ignorance of that statement. Your challenge was to show lynchings “on the same scale as blacks” from one poster and “examples of Asians being the object of lynchings on a scale anywhere near that of blacks” from another. Your response showed nothing of the sort.
- Maybe, maybe not.
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You ever read about how the Irish were once treated especially in the Northeast.
They are full Caucasians now just like me. Cool. What does all this have to do with crude oil prices in the Middle East today? What does it have to do with anything for that matter. We won’t know unless you articulate much better.
Gee. It’s as if the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Thais, and other Asians were not treated as chattel and their personhood denied as a matter of law.
It is at a minimum naive to suggest that the oppression (however genuine) suffered by persons of Asian descent, as a group, comes close to that suffered by African-Americans. If you have an iota of the integrity, you will admit that.
I see this thread veering far off course with the burgeoning “who’s the bigger victim” game between Asians and Blacks, and I hope it doesn’t get totally derailed because there are certainly some interesting things to be discussed on the subject of race and attraction.
I find the following statement to be absurd:
Human beings are visual creatures. We do group things, and people, by what they look like, this is just a fact. And attraction has a lot to do with visual things.
Not finding someone physically/sexually attractive doesn’t mean you dislike them as a person, nor does it mean that you make any assumptions about what kind of person they are based on how they look.
A racist is someone who makes judgments about someone’s character based upon their looks (as those looks pertain to a certain racial group.) But this has nothing to do with physical attraction. You are attracted physically to someone’s looks, not his/her character.
Now, in my own experience, I have personally never met any man who would rule out a woman being physically attractive because of her race. I think that even the most strident neo-Nazi would probably fuck a hot black chick (if he was certain that nobody else would know.)
Qin - they later became collectively known as the “Chinese exclusion acts” after the fact but were never actually named that. Do some research. Asia, as you probably know, is a big country. Start another thread so we don’t derail this one even further.
I’ve seen a neo-Nazi (or at least a German fascist) who had an Indonesian girlfriend and who said his Korean friends understood his “political views” better than his white fellows,
If I WERE to have a sig…
What is a German Facist?
By the way, you’re totally wrong about “Asians”, even in America. Why don’t you clarify to say people who are 1.5-2 generation Chinese and Korean descent?
No one said Thais and Japanese were the SAME, they were said to be the same RACE, which through the American kalleidescope, THEY ARE.
(I agree that race isn’t often a very useful construct, but these comments taking exception to the previous post that brought this up are willfully coy IMO, you knew exactly what he meant.)
BTW, this thread should really only be about situation (1), because 2 and 3 are undeniably racist to any decent person.
About (1), I can IMAGINE a person that this was true who was not a racist, but I think in general the people that I have heard say statements like (1), try to explain it away with pathetic excuses to cover their latent racism, even if they have not fully accepted that side of themselves. “I’m not attracted to black girls” means that their RACE is what you find unattractive, because obviously black people come in all types of body types, hair styles, skin tones, etc etc etc. Surely everyone can find someone of every race they are attracted to.
So either “I’m not attracted to x group” is lazy short hand for, I generally don’t find them attractive but I would be open to the possibility, or more likely (imo) just casual racism.
Personally when I was single I had learned to stop pursuing white girls, because I never had much success with them. I always found it easier to relate to, and not get rejected by, asian and black women. I think over the years this kind of dulled my attraction to white girls a bit, but at any point if I was single and a white girl pursued ME I certainly would have been open to it, though.
I would consider it, because it would have a much higher chance of working out. Blind dates are scary, so I’m not going to put myself through that in a situation where there’s so unlikely to be a payoff. I don’t think that’s racist.
If you have to ask, yes.
Assuming that human relationships are ever simple and straightforward seems quite disingenuous to me.
Also, assuming that I’m “hyper-vigilant” about anything. I’m responding to the topic. Having an opinion about the topic of the thread is what a discussion forum is all about.
Assuming that someone’s expressed opinion is an obsession strikes me as straw-man construction. If the topic was “Do you like people who like cats?” and I expressed an opinion about cat-likers, would that make me “hyper-vigilant” about cat-lovers? Would you expect that the first thing I ask, when meeting a new person, is their attitude towards cats? No, because that would be insane. But you think it’s perfectly reasonable to accuse me of racism because I have a negative opinion about people who fetishise people of different races? You’re going to need more straw.
For the record, my opinion about racism in relationships is a small sub-set of my general guidelines on deciding who I like and who I don’t. I don’t like racists, and I don’t like plenty of other things. People who hate cats? Can’t stand them. People with chips on their shoulders? I find them extremely irritating. And so on.
I never said that a white (I’m assuming) male being attracted to Asian women is always creepy, and you seem determined to act like I did say that. What I said - and hopefully we can agree on this and move on with our lives - is that it can be creepy. On occasion. Not “always” - I never said that and I never implied it.
Now, again, I’m being called racist because I disapprove of people who treat some people differently based on race. Nice double standard. If you don’t treat some people differently based on race, then you have no reason to fear my disapproval. (I wish more people in real life feared my disapproval, but sadly it seems a very ineffective threat. Oh well.)
Some of my best friends are black. And some are Asian. And I have seen those friends objectified and depersonalised by people who were desperate to fuck them based purely on their races. I find that sort of behaviour extremely unpleasant, and anyone who acts like that has pretty much spoiled their chances of being friends with me.
And that’s the entire extent of my power over anyone else. I don’t want to ban interracial relationships, and I think that when they’re based on seeing the other person as a human being and not as a racial stereotype, interracial relationships are in general a good thing (taking into account that any relationship may or may not be a good thing depending on the actual individuals involved.)
Now that I can agree with. Well said, Mr D.
If that’s all it takes to be a racist, then being a racist isn’t bad. In fact, NOT being a racist probably qualifies you for some pretty serious psychological/neurological disorder. If you want racism to be a bad thing, your requirements are gonna have to get a whole lot stricter.
Anyway, I think the OP may have left out a category exemplified by my father. He doesn’t disapprove of interracial relationships per se, but he does believe that they are much less likely than intraracial marriages to work out (largely due to cultural differences). He believes this based on anecdotal evidence from people who were in such marriages. Setting aside the issue of whether that is good enough evidence to make his belief rational, it doesn’t seem racist since it has nothing to do with the superiority of some race. Yet he is opposed in the sense that he advised me to not do it. Not sure if that qualifies as “opposed though.”