I do not. I’m talking about Asian-American CULTURE and Black CULTURE.
See above.
I was being mildly hyperbolic, but I do mean in general black urban gangsta culture.
And I advocate neither.
Again I have nothing against blacks. And there is a difference between being wary of individual cops who are crooked/psychotic/sociopathic whatnot, and of the whole legal system and justice in the country. Hey, isn’t that generalizing and stereotyping. :dubious:
I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt because I have asian friends who make the same idiotic claim you do that asians had it worse than blacks in America. I don’t think they are racist (all the time), just that they are brought up in households that don’t think highly of blacks, and it rubs off on them. So, I am going to ASSUME you do not know very much about the racial disparities in the criminal justice system. Please check out the facts on this page:
It is not INDIVIDUAL BAD SEEDS who are racist cops and judges who persecute blacks in this country, it is SYSTEMATIC and if you are black you are just NOT going to get the same treatment in the criminal justice system, EVEN when adjusting for wealth, black defendants do more time for the same crimes, and are more likely to be sentenced to death.
ALSO abhorrent is how the race of the VICTIM plays into the death penalty:
This is a country that WITHIN LIVING MEMORY the police and fireman used FIREHOSES on peaceful protestors black and white who wanted to be treated with simple human dignity and equal rights for all. So I find it highly offensive that you think that black people being distrustful of police and the justice system is just something illogical and reflects badly on THEM, rather than on the racist police who shoot black people reaching for their wallets, and for racist juries and judges that sentence black people to DIE more often if their victim is WHITE than black or Latino.
The criminal justice system needs improvement to address these blatantly racist disparities. Thinking the American criminal justice system is fair to your people when statistics say it ain’t so isn’t a virtue, it’s stupidity plain and simple.
Qin, I think part of the problem is you are using “Asian” as a shorthand for “Americans of comparatively recent Chinese, Japanese, and/or Korean descent” or something. Using that shorthand is pretty common, but it helps to pin down the terms at the start.
Black urban gangsta culture is a very small subset of a culture which contains as much variation as every other race. And not all gangster rappers are black. Hell, even Rage Against the Machine says “*Some *of those who work forces are the same that burn crosses”
Implying that all blacks in the US are wary of the whole legal system and justice here isn’t hyperbole; it’s ignorant and disregards the work done by African American police officers, politicians, lawyers, judges, and a certain President who serve to protect public safety, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Did it occur to you to research why some African American rappers write about mistrust of the police? Historically the African American race has received harsher treatment from police and the judicial system from the origins of this country to the present day. As I said earlier, subversion is often expressed through art, and the popularity of gangster rap in the last 25 years has called attention to the disparity in treatment of the races. Not all art or subversion has a positive, unifying message, but this country wasn’t found on homogeny, was it? Write a letter to Cube, Rage, Dre and ask what they hoped to accomplish with such lyrics. I’ll bet you’ll hear “equal treatment” and not whatever sinister motive you infer.
As some here have been trying to explain, this is a bullshit distinction.
There is no universally definable “Asian-American culture” or “Black culture” except to the extent that there are Asian-American people with cultures and Black people with cultures. The only real meaning these terms have is “whatever culture any Asian-American might have” and “whatever culture any Black person might have.” Since these categories have no truly generalizable parameters, what it really comes down to is “whatever characteristics I impute to people whom I think look Asian-American” and “whatever characteristics I impute to people whom I think look Black.”
Back it up with loads of cultural stereotypes and confirmation bias and, there you have it. It’s all about skin colour.
I apologize for that. In addition, a lot of people, it should be noted considere black to be an ethnicity as in “black churches” or whatnot.
Qin, if I were you, I’d quit while I was ahead.
Fair enough, I actually had second thought about this the day after I posted it; I seriously couldn’t remember whether I’d said the poster or the post were racist. So serious question: can I say that the sentiments in the OP were racist?
Because otherwise you would know the answers to your “questions” and thus not have needed to post them.
OK then, I challenge you to post explicitly that you agree that all “races” (however you perceive that misbegotten term) are near as dammit equal in potential and capability in all endeavours, and in all rights due them.
Do you know what else Confucianism (which is basically what Chinese and Korean culture is based on) promotes? Misogynistic values. Blind obedience to authority. Class discrimination. Academic elitism. Anything outside of the norm is condemned.
Also it’s silly to talk about Asian American culture as some sort of homogeneous entity. When you say Asian American culture, you are including Koreans, Chinese, Japanese, Indians, Filipino, Indonesian, Vietnamese . . . it’s hard to generalize about all of these people. You seem to have a stereotypical image of an upper-middle class East Asian American family in your mind when you speak of Asian American culture, but it’s a very narrow view.
(1) Simply personally not wanting an Interracial relationship: depends on which race
(2) Disapproving of others’ interracial relationships: depends on which race
(3) Wanting to ban or otherwise block interracial relationships. depends on which race
Care to elaborate?
Ahead?
What? What do you mean?
I suspect he’s coyly trying to bring up the claim that African-Americans are allowed to be racially exclusive without being labeled as racist, but that the same behaviour on the part of whites is considered racist.
Seconded. So some elaboration would be helpful.
Or a lesser possibility, for Jews…my stepfather (who is Jewish and married my mom, a black woman) does not think it’s racist for jews to disapprove of other jews marrying non-jews because they’re such a small minority according to him. He thought it was okay for his Rabbi to not speak to my mom at THEIR WEDDING because of his disapproval.
He doesn’t believe this about any other minority. He’s not a very logical man.
Well, how about that claim? I brought up the issue straightforwardly with a linked essay by a black writer, but nobody seemed interested.
Yes, I do believe all races and nationalities are equal in potential and should be equally treated by law and society and let to stand or fall by his or her own individual merits. Satisfied?
Which claim?