Is Bustamante a racist, jew hating extremist ?

[John_Mace]

*Originally posted by errata *
My impession is that if you accused a MECHa member of trying to create a race based state, they would laugh in your face.

Are you sure?

From the SJSU MEChAsite:

In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal “gringo” invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlán from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny.

We are free and sovereign to determine those tasks which are justly called for by our house, our land, the sweat of our brows, and by our hearts. Aztlán belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. We do not recognize capricious frontiers on the bronze continent

[errata]

John Mace
A little further down in your cite:

With our heart in our hands and our hands in the soil, we declare the independence of our mestizo nation.

A mestizo referenced in you link is a person of mixed race heritage, most commonly native american and european. Now if they take issue with the US’s land grab in the Southwest, I can hardly blame them. But that’s not racist. “Anti-American” perhaps, but that’s a typical accusation for liberal student groups.
Interestingly enough, they say on their home page:

Through self-empowerment, our people will rise above oppression, sexism, homophobia, and racism.

[errata]

From another MECHa link:
http://www.brownmecha.org/doc_philosophy.html

EPSB stresses that in ogranizing M.E.Ch.A. every opportunity must be taken to educate Raza. At the same time, El Plan guides Mechistas to preserve Chicana/Chicano culture in this culturally diverse society, both in community and on campus. Thus, a Chicana/Chicano Nation is a necessity defined as an educational, socio-economic, and empowered Chicana/Chicano community.

(bolding mine) Thus, the “Nation” is not a state but a community that’s part of a “culturally diverse society”.

[GIGObuster]

You know what is sad? When one shows how wrong the right wing news could be, the guys that were jerked around by it get angry at the other side for pointing that out, they never bother to complain directly to the manufacturers of this rubbish.

http://aztlan.net/aztlanmexico.htm

Zionist Secretary of Foreign Relations Gutman has been warned by President Fox to not sabotage the “mission” of the new agency, however, it appears that he has already begun his dirty politics. California Lt. Governor Cruz Bustamante said that Secretary Gutman invited him to Tuesday’s ceremony in Los Pinos establishing the new agency, which he attended. Cruz Bustamante is a known lackey of the Jewish dominated Democratic Party in Alta California and Gutman has very powerful connections to the Zionist establishment in the US.

(Enphasis added)

So La Voz de Aztlan hates calls Bustamante a lackey of the jews and according to Fox they are buddies?

John maze: As a Hispanic, allow me to say that that Mecha line is more wishful thinking than anything. I do remember seeing the group at UC Berkeley, and it was not very influential, so much that I don’t remember any big action by them in the 4 years I was there. Is there is any thing this attack on Bustamante looks like is that it appear to be like the same “old fellow traveler of the communists” Joe McCarty maneuver. A shameful maneuver if you have not figure it out.

[John_Mace]

errata wrote:
But that’s not racist.

How about this:

For La Raza to do. Fuera de La Raza nada.

And I’ll ignore the obvious (amusing?) Spanish mistakes they made:

For the Chicanos everything, for non-Chicanos nothing.

(The site equates la raza de Bronze with Chicano.)

[Daisy_Cutter]

After having read some of the content, that is accessable on one of the many MEChA websites that can be found on the net, I have to conclude that they are bad news.

Here is a snippet from a MEChA site, describing the Chicano movement.

**1) We are Chicanas and Chicanos of Aztlán reclaiming the land of our birth (Chicana/Chicano Nation);

2. Aztlán belongs to indigenous people, who are sovereign and not subject to a foreign culture;

3. We are a union of free pueblos forming a bronze (Chicana/Chicano) Nation;

4. Chicano nationalism, as the key to mobilization and organization, is the common denominator to bring consensus to the Chicana/Chicano Movement;**

The link to that MEChA site is: http://www.angelfire.com/sd/MEChAdeSDSU/AmendedPhilosophyPapers.html

So basically, if Bustamante fully supports this organisation, would it be wrong to conclude that he is part of a plot to eventually liberate certain US territories back to Mexico, and their “true” owners, the Chicanos ?

[John_Mace]

I’m guessing the CB wants to have it both ways. He certainly is not in favor of la liberacion de Aztlan, but he doesn’t want to risk alienating any of his Hispanic supporters by denouncing an Hispanic organiztion. God, you’d almost think the guy was a politician or something!

[blowero]

*Originally posted by SPOOFE *
**… Or YOU can provide evidence, instead of ad hominems, to counter the cite… **

Tsk, tsk - I only said I’m withholding judgment. I didn’t say it wasn’t true.

As for my opinion of Larry Elder, I stand by it. Are you familiar with his show, and do you disagree that it is garbage?

[Left_Hand_of_Dorkness]

*Originally posted by John Mace *
**How about this:

And I’ll ignore the obvious (amusing?) Spanish mistakes they made:

For the Chicanos everything, for non-Chicanos nothing.

(The site equates la raza de Bronze with Chicano.) **

First, I’m having trouble figuring out what they mean by that quote: either their Spanish or my Spanish sucks, or else we’re seeing Spanglish in action. I’ll assume your translation is correct.

Reading the quote in the context of El Plan de Aztlan and their other documents, I get the impression they’re saying, “This organization is for Chicanos – everything we do is for Chicanos. We’re not building the organization for other folks. It’s for us.”

That is probably an inherently racist sentiment. It’s not inherently a racial-superiority sentiment.

I say “probably” a racist sentiment because of this paragraph from your own cite:

We recognize that no one is born politically Chicana or Chicano. Chicanismo results from a decision based on a political consciousness for our Raza, to dedicate oneself to building a Chicana/Chicano Nation. Chicanismo is a concept that integrates self-awareness with cultural identity, a necessary step in developing political consciousness. Therefore the term Chicano is grounded in a philosophy, not a nationality. Chicanismo does not exclude anyone, rather it includes those who acknowledge and work toward the betterment of La Raza. Chicanismo involves a personal decision to reject assimilation and work towards the preservation of our cultural heritage.

Sure, they’re working for the betterment of Chicanos (or Latinos or Hispanics, whatever). The NAACP works for the betterment of African Americans. Are they racist?

Maybe MEChA is racist. Certainly I get the impression from their Web site that they’re pretty isolationist toward other groups, unpleasant radicals. They’re a student political group, for god’s sake. Is it surprising that they’re unpleasant radicals?

I don’t see antisemitism on any MEChA page. If it’s there, it points to a specific chapter’s racism, unless it’s on some national MEChA page (which I haven’t so far found).

Finally, that’s disgusting that Bustamante would use racial slurs. Can anyone link to an exact quote?

Daniel

[Daisy_Cutter]

*Originally posted by John Mace *
**I’m guessing the CB wants to have it both ways. He certainly is not in favor of la liberacion de Aztlan, but he doesn’t want to risk alienating any of his Hispanic supporters by denouncing an Hispanic organiztion. God, you’d almost think the guy was a politician or something! **

I’m not so sure that he is against la liberacion de Aztlan, as I haven’t read any of his views/comments regarding the topic. He is afterall associated with the group.

I also don’t think he’s too concerned with denouncing an Hispanic organization, because from what I read on various Chicano sites, they are not too fond of either Hispanics or Spaniards, which they consider to be European invaders.

I would assume that those who take offense to the term “Hispanic”, are those who consider themselves to be “Chicanos”.

[Beagle]

or prepare to blow your old one.

Damn, I want that whole GOYA section out of the supermarket. Well, not the mojo, or some other stuff. Hispanic food nazis?

Large corporations, daring to cater to… JEWS! It’s a conspiracy I tell you. If there were other ethnic products on the market it wouldn’t seem so ridiculous. Oh, in fact there are countless ethnic products on the market.

Damn kosher food, it’s like the flourine in the water. It saps my precious bodily fluids.

[Left_Hand_of_Dorkness]

Okey dokey, hold the horses everyone. Let’s look at what that Bastion of Liberalism, Newsmax, says:

Throughout his Black History Month tribute, which catalogued the accomplishments of America’s civil rights leaders, the gubernatorial wannabe repeatedly used the word “Negro,” reported the Chronicle, “which was not considered offensive given the historical context.”

“At one point, however, Bustamante used the n-word,” the paper said.

“I’ve struggled all weekend to explain it to myself,” the angst-ridden Democrat said. “How can I explain it to you.”

Okay, so he was giving a speech in which he repeatedly said “Negro.” One time, he said “nigger” instead.

Offensive? Yes. Purposeful?

Not necessarily. This is not equivalent to “Barney Fag”: he apologized at the end of the speech, apologized again later. The words are close enough phonetically that in rapid speech, the tongue could slip.

Or the mind could slip. Maybe he was worrying about using the semi-offensive term “negro” over and over, thought to himself, “God, I hope someone doesn’t mishear me as saying ‘nigger’”, and the word slipped out.

When someone makes a gaffe like this, you call their asses on it, and you get an apology. And you watch them like a hawk: does their speech reflect their politics? Sure, it might be accidental – but it might not be. Pay attention to what they do, look to see if they’re really anti-black.

What’s the verdict? Does Bustamante show a pattern of anti-black racism? Are there other complaints made against him? Does he not hire black staffers?

If there’s a pattern, then this is a legitimate issue – just as it’s a legitimate issue when a homophobic senator uses a homophobic slur. If not, however, it looks awful like a smear campaign.

Daniel

[John_Mace]

Daisy: The whole Hispanic/Chicano/Latino issue is very confusing. Chicano is generally confined to Mexican-Americans, usually mestizos or mixed of Indian/European ancestry. Latino is more inclusive of people from other Central and South American countries. Hispanic is the term the government tends to use for anyone from a Spanish speaking country. Bustamante probably considered himself Chicano when he was in college-- that was the fashion of the times. Now that he’s part of the establishment, I’m sure he uses the terms Hispanic or Latino more often. Those latter two terms widen his politica base.

[Left_Hand_of_Dorkness]

Oh – and aztlan.net looks like a bunch of true kooks. If Bustamante has endorsed them, he’s an idiot.

Daniel

[ElvisL1ves]

Re the OP title itself: Has Bustamante in fact been asked directly about his connection to these people? What has he said?

[Left_Hand_of_Dorkness]

One more note: Bustamante’s website contains links for “Latino” organizations. It does not contain links for “Chicano” organizations. And MEChA does not have a link from his website, unlike (for example) the NAACP.

Daniel

[John_Mace]

Elvis: Busatamante has declined to comment. Hence the speculation.

[Daisy_Cutter]

As for that Aztlan.net site, I find them to be a bunch of foaming at the mouth, lying anti-semites.

One might think they found themselves visiting an aryan nation, neo Nazi site or a Jew hating, jihadist, pro Osama, Islamic site.

Aztlan links to the protocols of the learned elders of zionism, which is a forgery.
They have an Isreali flag with a swastika planted in the middle.
They also have numerous articles outlining the various Jewish conspiracies, including the food conspiracy, as a previous poster has pointed out.

[El_Gui]

*Originally posted by Dogface *
**
And as an aside:

http://www.tonguesmagazine.org/essaygutierrez.htm
for MECHa’s homophobic activities. **

Dogoface, Do you even bother to read your links???

From your link, here is MEChA’s “homophobic” activities:

"Concilio Chair and MEChista Sol Porras read the email Marlon Morales received from Cienfuegos [author of the homophobic e-mail discussed in the story] in the February 21 MEChA meeting. “You could sense the hurt and disappointment in the room,” said Porras, “it’s not right and we need to speak out against it.” Porras also articulated how as a heterosexual woman, she feels it is important to advocate for all members of the community, regardless of creed, gender and sexual orientation.

Section III of Article 5 of the MEChA constitution says equal human rights and opportunities shall be afforded to all students with no regard to factors, including race, gender, physical disability and sexual or affection orientation. Many MEChistas from neighboring campuses of USC and Cal State Los Angeles have bombarded the offices home to La Voz de Aztlan with angry emails and phone calls."

[MC_Master_of_Ceremonies]

*Originally posted by Daisy Cutter *
**As for that Aztlan.net site, I find them to be a bunch of foaming at the mouth, lying anti-semites.

One might think they found themselves visiting an aryan nation, neo Nazi site or a Jew hating, jihadist, pro Osama, Islamic site.

Aztlan links to the protocols of the learned elders of zionism, which is a forgery.
They have an Isreali flag with a swastika planted in the middle.
They also have numerous articles outlining the various Jewish conspiracies, including the food conspiracy, as a previous poster has pointed out. **

As I alluded to in a previous post I beleive the ‘Kosher Nostra’ article actually originated at either Stormfront or the KKK.

ADL has a section on them and, some other things they have written about include how the Monica Lewinsky affair was perpetraed by Mossad and that the Anthrax letters had the Star of David printed on them.