Is Capitalism destined to fail?

From a debate started in an earlier thread. 2 quick notes. The words are not mine, they were sent to me by a friend, Tom, living in Belgium. We disagree on many issues, but not on this one. I’m prepared to defend the work in its sum.
Secondly, it is too long to post all at once, so I’m breaking it up into various sections.

Although we can discuss the nature of revolution, I would prefer to keep this debate clearly in the realm of capitalism. Also, it is not my area of expertise and I’m not fully prepared to defend it. Sorry, that’s just the way it is.

The economic crisis according to Marx

What is the economic crisis? When one asks this question to a leader of an economic institution (IMF, World Bank, etc.) or to an employer, he will say as an answer that it is some disturbing alien phenomena, an unpredictable mass psychology, which causes the economy to drop. He will above all avoid to question the working of the capitalist system. However it is in this working that we have to look for the fundamental explanation. To really understand what happens, a looking-back over the writings of Marx is indispensable.

Marx wrote in the middle of the 19th century. With Engels, he observes the crises of 1848 and 1858. He establishes immediately a relation between the economic situation and the tensions between social classes. He writes in 1850: ´With this general prosperity, in which the productive forces of bourgeois society develop as luxuriantly as is at all possible within bourgeois relationships, there can be no talk of a real revolution. Such a revolution is only possible in the periods when both these factors, the modern productive forces and the bourgeois forms of production, come in collision with each other.ª And he adds: ‘A new revolution is possible only in consequence of a new crisis. It is, however, just as certain as this crisis.’ (1)

Marx explains that capitalism enters necessarily contradictions that it can not solve and it is this very fact which makes objectively possible the overthrow of this system. From which the crucial interest to study the economic crisis and the revolutionary possibilities that they allow.

The explanation of Marx finds its origin in two fundamental and indissociable characteristics of capitalism: the exploitation of working-class labour and the accumulation. We have first to explain that before to enter upon the crisis itself.

The ultimate goal of production for an employer is profit. But where does this gain come from? For that, this capitalist has to sell the commodity that he makes produce more expensive than the one he used to make it. If he makes cars, the car must be able to be sold at a price superior (at a value) to the one which he paid to make it, that it to say superior to what he paid for the buildings, the machines, the robots, the tools, the sheets steel, the electricity, etc. (the means of production) and what he paid to the workers in form of salaries (the labouring power). He has to sell it for 300,000 Belgian francs if he paid, for example, 220,000 for the means of production and 50,000 francs for the salaries. It is only like this that he can have a profit of 30,000 francs. (2)

First question: what is the basis of the value (and therefore of the price) of the commodities? Why can the capitalist sell its vehicle for 300,000 francs, buy the means of production for 220,000 francs and even the labouring power for 50,000 francs?

All the commodities have an exchange-value which make them comparable and therefore exchangeable between each other. For this they must contain some common characteristic which allows this comparison. This common thing is the fact that all commodities are the product of labour. It is the workers who produce the wealth. (3) This explains why the air has no exchange value: it is not the product of labour. Likewise, the water of the river is free. It is paying only from the moment where some work was needed to collect it, purify it, transform it, to bottle it and finally put it at the disposal of the consumer. A commodity will have as much value — and that will determine its price - as the labour contained in it: both past labour, which will have produced the means of production necessary to its manufacture, and present labour achieved by the labouring power. If a commodity is more expensive than another, it is because it needs globally more work to produce it. If the car is worther than a bread, it is because one needs on the whole maybe 400 hours to make a car and probably less than one hour to make a bread.

Second question: can the profit come up from the exchange of commodities? If those are sold at their value, it is impossible. Because the exchange is effected between equivalents, that is to say between products which contain the same quantity of labour (for example, the same number of working hours). If four hours were necessary to make a table and two hours to make a chair, if the daily work consists in eight hours, the producer of tables will sell two tables for four chairs. Every commodity will be disposed of for its value (four hours for the table and two hours for the chair). But there will be no profit.

The profit can appear in the exchange only if a product is sold below its value. Now we would have to explain why it is the case. Moreover, what a capitalist will win will be lost by another. An employer would obtain a surplus of value, which can only come from the fact that another sold him his commodity below its value. That would not explain why the capitalists as a whole make profit and that these profits are the most regularly increasing.

Third question: where does the profit come from then? One needs a commodity having the capability to create value, that is to say labour. In that way, it can produce more value than what it is necessary for its own production. This commodity is the labouring power. It is indeed a commodity because it is sold and bought. The worker exchanges with the employer his capability to work for a salary, because, deprived of resources, it is his only way to live. His salary allows him to purchase what is necessary to its constitution and restoration: that is all the goods which serve first his education and then his maintenance in such a way that he can come back the day after to work ´in the same conditions as regards health and strengthª. (4)

But the labouring power can work more than what is necessary for its restoration. It can therefore create a supplementary value, which will not be paid by the employer, which will be appropriated by him, because he is the owner of the means of production, that is to say of the factories, buildings etc. In clear, the employer will hire employees to work. He will pay them only what is necessary for them to come back the day after ´in the same conditions as regards health and strengthª. This value corresponds, for example, to five hours of labour in terms of value. At that time, the worker could say: I stop working. But, since it is the employer who decides, because he is the owner of the company, he will oblige the worker to carry on during, for example, eight hours. During the last three hours, he will then work for free. The value created will be appropriated by the employer, given that the capitalist takes possession of the entire product but only refunds part of it to the worker as a salary. The value produced during the last three hours constitutes what Marx calls the surplus-value. And it is the basis for the profit of the capitalist.

The gain is therefore the result of an exploitation of the workers by the employer. This explains the increasing gap of wealth between the capitalists and the workers. The former try to increase constantly the surplus-value produced to earn more, while paying to the latter only what is necessary to live. The former grow rich detrimental to the latter and its source is the free labour provided by the working population.

The employer doesn’t want simply a profit. He wants to restore ceaselessly this gain and do it at a always higher level. It’s the accumulation. He devotes part of the surplus-value produced to increase the scale of production, in order to have still more surplus-value in the future.

Disposing of a starting capital under monetary form, that is a money-capital M, the employer hires labouring powers and buys means of production. He transforms so his starting money-capital into commodity-capital C. It is from that point that he can make produce. It is through this production § that a surplus-value appears. The result of the manufacture is a new commodity, which potentially contains the surplus-value, that is C’ (where ´’ª refers to the surplus-value). This commodity is sold and the capitalist receives a new money-capital incorporating the costs of production (for the means of production and the labouring powers) increased by the surplus-value, that is a new money-capital M’. With this, he can invest in new machines, hire employees, increase his production,… and increase his level of surplus-value and so of profit. The scheme of capitalist production takes then the following form:

M - C … P … C’ — M’

The goal is to reproduce constantly this scheme at an extended level.

With the 30,000 francs of profit on each car, the manufacturer can invest in such a way to produce for example not 200,000 cars a year anymore, but 270,000. The gain effected will then go from six billions of Belgian francs to 8.1 billions, if the price of the vehicle doesn’t change. He will therefore be able to reinvest and try to manufacture 300,000 cars, and so on.

For the capitalist, what matters is the profit, the accumulation, the production of capital. No matter the sector in which he acts: a capital must yield money and even as much as possible. No matter if he is making boots, a car or a sheet steel. The scheme on which the capitalist is finally based is the following:

M — M’

No matter what is between M and M’, as long as the starting money-capital M turns automatically into an increased money-capital M’.

But this is a delusion. The capital can not yield profit by itself. Even on the stockmarkets, where the capital seems to have that faculty, it evolves in fact fundamentally as a function of the results of the companies. The price of a part of capital (a share) will climb if the perspectives of profit for the company which emitted this share improve. And these gains come from the exploitation of the workers. Besides, when a company announces a dismissal plan by which it manifests its intention to increase the value produced by each worker (therefore the surplus-value), the price of the share of this company will generally grow. It is possible that the price of the bonds increases by speculation, independently of the results of the company. But this increase is fictitious. Either it is realised at the expense of others capitalists: what is won by one is lost by another. Either it will disappear at some given time, when some financiers will realise that the current price can not increase anymore and therefore that it can only decrease and adjust to the level of the profits effected by the company.

Nevertheless this scheme C — C’ becomes the basis of the activity of capitalists. First, the employer defines his own industrial cycle as a function of his profitability rate. He will invest where he will earn a profit no matter the sector. If it becomes more interesting to put money in the financial stock-markets, he will do it. Afterwards, these financial markets will develop on the basis of that formula C — C’. On these markets, the capital becomes a commodity which is bought and sold constantly. These markets become more and more autonomous. The buying of bonds on the stockmarket is progressively dominated by the speculation, which worries only about the increases or decreases of the prices, no matter the reason of this evolution. The financial markets attract a growing amount of money, including popular savings through the banks, the insurance companies or the various investment funds, creating so artificially a wealth which has no equivalent in the production (but which can disappear very quickly). Finally the financial markets dictate more and more the guiding lines in the matter of profitability to the companies. And on this basis, they force them to constantly restructure, that is to say to dismiss, to increase productivity, intensity of labour, in short to increase again the exploitation of the workers. For example, the recent mergers between oil giants such as Exxon and Mobil, of the pharmaceutical or chemical industry, such as Hoechst and Rhone-Poulenc etc. are achieved, among other things, to answer the need of the financial markets to have increasing profits and therefore prices of shares in constant growth.

Scratch: capitalism follows the form of natural law. Competition, suplly and demand-- these are things that happen naturally. any other system is a false construct and doomed to failure because it defies human nature.

For the capitalists, the crisis manifests the blocking of that ability of the capital to produce by itself a profit. The process sticks in fact between C’ and M’ and therefore stops the passage to the next cycle. Because the capitalist doesn’t receive the money of the sale of his commodity, he can not reinvest it in the purchase of the means of production and labouring powers to carry on the accumulation. In the scheme of the industrial cycle, there is a differentiation in time between the moment of the sale of the commodity (C’ - M’) and the moment of the purchase (M - C).

Marx explains the following: ´The commodity (…) must be transformed into money C - M. If this difficulty, the sale, is solved then the purchase M - C, presents no difficulty, since money is directly exchangeable for everything else. (…) The possibility of a crisis(…) thus only arises from the fact that the differences in form - the phases - which it passes through in the course of its progress, are in the first place necessarily complimentary and secondly, despite this intrinsic and necessary correlation, they are distinct parts and forms of the process, independent of each other, diverging in time and space, separable and separated from each other. The possibility of crisis therefore lies solely in the separation of sale from purchase. It is thus only in the form of commodity that the commodity has to pass through this difficulty here. As soon as it assumes the form of money it has got over this difficulty.ª (5)

An employer, for example a car manufacturer, possesses a money-capital that he invested in a factory, machines, robots, tools, raw materials, etc. and in workers: in a first step, M - C, he pays the 220,000 francs in means of production and the 50,000 francs of salaries. In a second step, he makes produce: …P… He sets the workers to work, who, using the machines, transforms the sheets steel into vehicles. He gets a car: C’. In a third step, he wants to sell it, but for that he will not realise the surplus-value contained in the vehicle. He could get his profit of 30,000 francs only if he sells his car for 300,000 francs. He wants therefore to go from C’ to M’ in order to restart the cycle at the first step: M - C. But it is precisely at this last step, the third, that it is blocked and so, as he doesn’t recover his investment, he can not restart the cycle of purchase of new raw materials, of new restored labouring powers, etc. He can not increase the production from 200,000 cars a year to 270,000 because he didn’t recover his 300,000 francs on each vehicle sold.

Therefore, the capitalist can not go from M to M’ and so can not carry on accumulating. There is overproduction, because the commodities which can not find a purchaser begin to accumulate.

The recession spreads then, because the other capitalists come in relations with the one who experiences a problem of ´differentiation between the time of sale and the time of purchaseª. For a reason or another (what we will see in the next section), the consumers don’t want to replace the cars that they have. They prefer to lengthen the time of use of old vehicles. The car manufacturer produces therefore commodities that he can not sell. For him there is therefore an impossibility to accumulate. Meanwhile, he stops the orders to the companies, which supply him. Let’s take the case of siderurgy. The capitalist producing steel faces himself the problem of the blocking of his cycle. He stops his purchases of machines and equipment. It is the turn of the employers of the sector of machine-tools, also victims of the halt of the orders coming from the car-sector, to fall into difficulties. Thus the crisis becomes generalised.

The crisis is the violent solving of this blocking of the accumulation process: since there can not be a normal passage between C’ and M’, one must force it. ´Crisis, writes Marx, is nothing but the forcible assertion of the unity of phases of the production process which have become independent of each other.ª(6) If the commodities can not be sold, because the purchasers don’t want them momentarily, there is only one perspective left for the capitalists: sell to a lower price. Instead of selling the car for 300,000 francs, the manufacturer must dispose of it for 290,000, 280,000, 270,000, even 260,000 or 250,000 francs. But, in this way, the employers reduce their profitability: instead of 30,000 francs a vehicle, it is 20,000 or 10,000 francs. By the game of competition, some can not survive in these conditions and must close their doors. If the manufacturer can not come out from the position where he has to sell his vehicles for 250,000 francs, he will go bankrupt. The others restructure, closing some workshops.

The result is a destruction of the productive forces. It is accompanied by a mass dismissal of workers, ´who, exploited by the industrialists at the time of commercial prosperity, are now massively laid off and left to their fateª.(7) It is in this that the solving of the crisis is violent: instead of having an harmonious development, capitalism generates continuously jars caused by the forced adjustment in the process of accumulation; instead of having a permanent progression of the productive forces, there are periodically phases of destruction; instead of hiring staff and securing the job of these workers, capitalism functions by hiring temporarily a mass of workers, who it hastens to dismiss as soon as the business is going wrong.

The development of capitalism is thus cyclic. In a first step, capitalism expands. It is the period of progress. The employers invest, hire staff. Afterwards it is the blocking. It is the crisis properly so called. It expands and generalises. It is depression. Then, some part of the productive forces is destroyed, a series of competitors are eliminated. The conditions are ready for a restart of the capitalist economy and thus a new period of progress. In this framework, the crisis is conjunctural, related to the economic cycle described above.

It is this cycle which subordinates to its rhythm the economic life under capitalism and which determines, for example, the population movements, the migrations in particular: ´The workpeople are thus continually both repelled and attracted, hustled from pillar to post, while, at the same time, constant changes take place in the sex, age, and skill of the leviesª.(8) So, depending on the needs, the employers hire women and immigrants, then sack them, look for computer scientists, then staff with low qualifications, develop a region, then take their investment back, etc.

The crisis is fundamentally related to the capitalist system. But the vision perceived by the various social classes is totally different. For the capitalists, it means a blocking of the process which transforms the surplus-value into capital. The solving of the crisis is then to make the cycle of capital restart, even if it causes the annihilation of productive forces and factories, the fall of the employment, etc. The workers suffer the consequences. But, for them, it is completely absurd: it is not because all the needs of consumption are satisfied that the crisis happens, but because there are too many commodities with respect to what can be purchased.

Marx specifies: ´There are not too many necessities of life produced, in proportion to the existing population. Quite the reverse. Too little is produced to decently and humanely satisfy the wants of the great mass. There are not too many means of production produced to employ the able-bodied portion of the population.(…)On the other hand, too many means of labour and necessities of life are produced at times to permit of their serving as means for the exploitation of labourers at a certain rate of profit. Too many commodities are produced to permit a realisation and conversion into new capital of the value and surplus-value contained in them under the conditions of distribution and consumption peculiar to capitalist production, i.e., too many to permit of the consummation of this process without constantly recurring explosions. Not too much wealth is produced. But at times too much wealth is produced in its capitalistic, self-contradictory forms.ª (9)

The workers excluded from the circuit production - consumption like commodities which can not serve anymore, find themselves deprived of the right to live (10). The crisis manifests for them the dictatorship of capital. It makes appear in them, even if it is sometimes confused, the right and the necessity to revolt against that dictatorship. It is starting from this point that the overthrown of capitalism is made possible. As Marx and Engels wrote: ´But not only has the bourgeoisie forged the weapons that bring death to itself; it has also called into existence the men who are to wield those weapons - the modern working class - the proletarians.ª (11)

The question which comes up now is to know why, at some given moment, the commodities are not bought anymore, causing the blocking of the accumulation process.

First, the employers want to accumulate, thus to increase the surplus-value produced (therefore exploit more the workers), to incorporate it in the capital to accumulate more in the next step and get a profit in constant progression. It is that way that they can become rich and powerful. And if ever they wouldn’t like to follow this path, the competition will push them for it, since a big capital accumulates faster than a small one and tends to eliminate the latter. Marx specifies: ´Accumulation for accumulation’s sake, production for production’s sake: by this formula classical economy expressed the historical mission of the bourgeoisie.(…) If to classical economy, the proletarian is but a machine for the production of surplus-value; on the other hand, the capitalist is in its eyes only a machine for the conversion of this surplus-value into additional capital.ª (12)

To accumulate, the capitalist must ceaselessly expand the level of production. That means to invest in new buildings, new factories, new machines. The most visible aspect of this phenomena is the construction of new production facilities.

The decision to accumulate is individual, proper to each capitalist. It takes place in indirect relation with the competitors. It is not because the rival built a factory of such kind for such particular product that the capitalist will not build a quasi identical one. It is even the opposite which happens. Because the goal is not to satisfy a need but to make a profit. Thus if the competitor embarks on a slot, that means that there is probably a market to take and for the employer of a company that means the obligation to get also involved in it.

In the car industry, the market of monospace was non-existent in Europe in 1985. But, since, it has strongly developed. Therefore all the manufacturers have set a new factory to be able to produce this kind of vehicles: Fiat and Peugeot in North of France, Volkswagen and Ford in Portugal. etc. Result: the overcapabilities worsen, because the purchasers don’t buy generally a monospace more but they replace another car, which has been produced in another factory.

But, if there are too many factories, too many capabilities with respect to what the consumers can buy, the capitalist will do his best in order that the other firms suffer the consequences: they have to reduce the price of their commodities, realising thus losses which will lead them to close workshops, even factories, thus dismissing workers.

In 1977, that is three years after the burst of the crisis in the iron industry, the president of Cockerill at that time, Julien Charlier, expressed this anarchy: ´Our industry suffers heavily today of overcapabilities resulting from a parochial management of the investments. Yesterday, everyone wanted his modern rolling-mill without much worrying about the machines which already existed by the neighbour, neither about the real capabilities of absorption by the market. One sees now where that too micro-economic policy led the European iron industry.ª(13) That ‘parochial management’ is compulsory under capitalism: it comes from the private property of the means of production. It is it which leads each capitalist to increase his profits, to accumulate and always produce more, even if the effect is a general overproduction, an overcapability that the market will not be able to absorb.

Second element: to accumulate, the capitalists must create a bigger and bigger surplus-value, that is to say exploit more the workers. It is the case by the increase of productivity, that each employer is actively looking for. Thanks to this, the capitalists can produce more commodities in the same period of time, without necessarily extracting this increase from a supplementary spending of human labour (even if it is usually related). (14) It is a matter of new technical means, which are introduced and allow an increase of the production.

In clear, for a same production, the capitalists substitute means of production, essentially machines, for labouring powers. But this can entail an increase of the production, which can have as a consequence that the employment doesn’t decrease, nay, even slightly increases. Thus, a car factory with 4,000 workers can produce 200,000 cars a year. Its productivity will amount to 50 cars a year and a person. (15) If the production goes to 300,000 cars a year, but the employment to 5,000 workers, the productivity will have increased to 60 cars a year and a person (16). Employment is more important in absolute terms but not in relative terms, that is to say, with respect to the production.

This phenomena expresses well an increase of the exploitation. The salary received by the workers decreases relatively. The value of the labouring power doesn’t change in terms of purchasing power. The workers produce more products but what they buy tends to be still at the same level (or to increase in a lesser proportion than the production). Therefore they receive a lesser part of what is produced. The part which grows is the surplus-value, hoarded by the capitalists.

The capitalists try to increase the exploitation by other means. They pay the workers below the value of the labouring power. They try to lengthen the day of work by introducing supplementary hours, work according to demand (17) and work during the week-end. They intensify the labour. Each time, the not paid labour increases to produce more commodities, thus more values hoarded by the employers.

That brings us to the third element. Pushed by the capitalists who try to accumulate more and more, the workers produce ceaselessly bigger and bigger quantities of commodities. But, by the increase of the productivity and the other forms of exploitation, they can only consume a smaller and smaller part of this production, even if this consumption can increase in absolute terms.

Let’s suppose that the 4 millions of Belgian workers produce a value of final commodities of 8,000 billions of Belgian francs a year. Each of them earns 1.5 million (18) during the same lapse of time. Together their salaries amount thus to 6,000 billions of Belgian francs. They have therefore the possibility to consume 6,000 of the 8,000 billions of the produced commodities, the capitalists (which are just a handful) consume the other 2,000 billions. By the increase in productivity and the intensification of labour, the workers increased the produced value of the final commodities to 10,000 billions of Belgian francs. But their salaries stay blocked. That means that they still consume 6,000 billions, but this time over a total sum of 10,000 billions. That means that the capitalists have increased their part to 4,000 billions. But can they consume it?

It is the fourth element. Pushed by the competition, the employers will tend to dedicate more and more money to the investment and not to the consumption. They will spend larger and larger sums to the purchase of machines, factories, which will allow them to beat the competitors but not to absorb the produced commodities of final consumption. They will carry on producing, whereas they should consume (if their goal was to ensure the more or less harmonious working of the system). Instead of buying the 2,000 billions of francs of supplementary final commodities, they will strive hard to increase again the global amount of produced commodities, bringing it to, for example, 12,000 billions of francs. That looks absurd and it is. But is the result of the anarchy generated by the private ownership of the companies: every capitalist reacts with respect to his individual interest to realise the highest gain as possible at the expenses of his competitor and not with respect to a planification according to the needs. Anyway, by the exploitation, the part which goes back to the capitalist increases and the needs of this handful of employers are not extensible to the point that they could absorb the increase in the production that their aspirations to accumulation impose to the society.

In these circumstances — and this is the fifth element —, every capitalist will try individually to increase again the exploitation to be able to get rid of his rivals. He will increase again the productivity, that is to say he will accelerate more the process of substitution of men by machines. As this is the workers who produce the value of the commodities, consequently the capitalists reduce relatively the basis on which they extract their profit, that is the surplus-value. Their rate of profit tends to decrease and will end by diminishing effectively. Which will incite them to get more exploitation out, thus accelerating the process. Their investments will carry more on the rationalisations, that is to say to replace the workers by machines, more and more costly but more and more high-performance. The capitalists will put more their money in the financial markets, at some time more lucrative. All this to raise their rate of profit individually. Losing of sight that globally the elimination of workers of the production process undermines the basis on which their gains stand, that is the creation of surplus-value, and that the hypertrophied development of the financial markets can only keep on if the production grows permanently.

Consequently, at some given time, the final commodities will not be bought because the workers will not be able to do it and the capitalists, dimmed by profit, will not be willing to do it. At the same time, the sector which produces the means of production will have been more developed than the one of the goods of consumption. There will be too many machines with respect to the production which will be able to be sold. There will be overproduction as well in the products of consumption as in those which serve to the production.

The crisis of overproduction stands thus well at the heart of the capitalist system. It is based on the process of accumulation and on the growing exploitation that the employers extract from the labour of the workers. As Marx writes: ´The ultimate reason for all real crises always remains the poverty and restricted consumption of the masses as opposed to the drive of capitalist production to develop the productive forces as though only the absolute consuming power of society constituted their limit.ª (19)

How do the capitalists solve that contradiction? ´On the one hand, Marx answers, by enforced destruction of a mass of productive forces; on the other, by the conquest of new markets, and by the more thorough exploitation of the old ones.ª (20) On the one hand, since there are too many means of production and labouring powers in activity, the capitalists scrap them. The capitalists reduce the price of the commodities in order to be able to sell them nevertheless. They diminish the production to bring it back to what is purchased. To make his equipment’s the most profitable, every employer closes workshops and factories. He rationalises the production by massively dismissing, without worrying about the lot of the workers, who lost so their job and, consequently, their income. The weakests go bankrupt, putting masses of workers out of the running.

Through the crisis, capitalism appears like what it is: an inefficient and inhuman system; inefficient because it destroys productive forces, it gets rid of means of production and labouring powers that he considers useless, while elementary needs are not satisfied; inhuman, because it is the workers who suffer the most dramatic effects of the crisis, losing their job, their income and even their place in the society.

On the other hand, the capitalists try to extend the markets. Because the problem which rises is the difficulty to dispose of the commodities, they try to sell them on new markets which can absorb them. It is what pushes them to get involved in the external trade, to widen ceaselessly the limits of the market, to transform the precapitalist social relations into merchant relations and finally to invest abroad, subjugating further and further territories. Thus, the capitalism becomes world-wide.

Are these solutions durable and do they allow to avoid new crisis? Certainly not. The destruction of productive forces makes quickly the place, with the recovery, to a new development, which has in it the same contradictions as before. Because the capitalist accumulation and the exploitation of the labour of the workers to realise this accumulation, which are the basis of the economic crisis, have not at all disappeared. The extension of the market, as for it, doesn’t solve anything fundamental. The contradictions which are the origin of the recession are therefore simply widened to a larger field. And they burst as necessarily.

Marx writes: ´Capitalist production seeks continually to overcome these immanent barriers, but overcome them only by means which again place these barriers in its way and on a more formidable scale.ª (21) In the Manifesto of the communist party, he adds after having defined the employers’ solutions to the crisis:ªThat is to say, by paving the way for more extensive and more destructive crises, and by diminishing the means whereby crises are prevented.ª (22)

(1) Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, Review, in ‘Collected Works of Marx and Engels’, Part 10, Lawrence and Wishart, London, 1978, p.510.

(2) 300,000 - 220,000 - 50,000 = 30,000.

(3) Nature provides the resources. It is the raw materials. They are at the disposal of the human beings. But one needs a ‘labour’ to put them at disposal, this labour can either be a simple ‘picking’, or a complicated operation of transformation.

(4) Karl Marx, Capital, Volume 1, Progress Publishers, Moscow, p.168.

(5) Karl Marx, Theories of Surplus-Value, Part 2, Lawrence and Wishart, London, 1969, p. 507-508.

(6) Karl Marx, Theories of Surplus-Value, Part 2, Lawrence and Wishart, London, 1969, p. 509.

(7) Friedrich Engels, The commercial crisis in England, in ´Collected Works of Marx and Engelsª, Part 6, Lawrence and Wishart, London, 1978.

(8) Karl Marx, Capital, Volume 1, Progress Publishers, Moscow, p.428.

(9) Karl Marx, Capital, Volume 3, Progress Publishers, Moscow, p.257-258.

(10) In the rich countries, above all in Europe, a mechanism of social security has been established, under the pressure of the class struggle. This social solidarity has been extended after the second world war to avoid that the working class of theses countries fight openly for socialism. Besides, since the fall of the Berlin’s wall in 1989, the acquirements of this social

security are dismantled at high speed.

(11) Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, Manifesto of the Communist Party, in ‘Selected Works of Marx and Engels’, Lawrence and Wishart, London, 1968, p.41.

(12) Karl Marx, Capital, Volume 1, Progress Publishers, Moscow, p.558.

(13) Echo de la Bourse, November 24, 1977, cited in Groupe d’économie marxiste, SOS Sidérurgie, 1978, Fondation Jacquemotte, p.31.

(14) But then it is an intensification of the labour. The latter is an increase of the production caused by an use of a bigger spending of human force.

(15) 200,000/4,000 = 50.

(16) 300,000/5,000 = 60.

(17) If the demand is high, the employers force their workers to come to produce. But if it is permanently high, that means longer days in a structural way.

(18) It is a gross amount including direct and indirect salary, since the part dedicated to social security is in fact a differed salary, thus belonging to the worker.

(19) Karl Marx, Capital, Volume 3, Progress Publishers, Moscow, p.484.

(20) Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, Manifesto of the Communist Party, in ‘Selected Works of Marx and Engels’, Lawrence and Wishart, London, 1968, p.41.

(21) Karl Marx, Capital, Volume 3, Progress Publishers, Moscow, p.250.

(22) Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, Manifesto of the Communist Party, in ‘Selected Works of Marx and Engels’, Lawrence and Wishart, London, 1968, p.41.

I think we should ask ourselves: is Capitalism actually a “System”?

I don’t think it is. You see, as far as I see it, the natural state of man is total freedom. Freedom to say what he wants, act the way he wants, do what he wants with his posessions. Any set of rules which limits this freedom is a “system”, be it socialist, fascist, religious, monopolistic or whatever. Capitalism, in its purist sense, does noy limit anything - anyone is free to do what he wants with his property: keep it, sell it, give it to his kids. Like in any uncontrolled environment, luck is a major factor, so after a while, some people will have more, and some people will have less.

Unless you want to state thet mankind is inherently tribal - a valid argument - then we can’t really look at capitalism as a system (nutcases like Ayn Rand nonwhistanding). It’s more of a default.

Yes, because the proletariat isn’t free not to work for the burgeouis and still be sustained.

As above:

And the worker has a choice. It jsut so happens that the “enslavement” of working is more desireable that the freedom to dig live the hunter gatherer life.

What is the motivation of a person to work in your ideal system?

Oy vey.

Okay, oldscratch, you have accurately identified some of the inherent problems with capitalism. At a quick reading, I can’t find anything factual in your argument that I’d disagree with. I’d point out that in tone, you’re coming to some poor conclusions; the way the article is written, it makes it sound as if all industries come crashing down at once, or that workers only exist within the context of a single business- should that business close, the workers are forever lost in the void because that business no longer exists.
However, my main point of argument with you on this text is that you present no reasonable alternative. This document is a statement “capitalism has flaws”, but you make no effort to show that other systems attempt to deal with these flaws in a better nature.

More to the point, the flaw specifically detailed is that of over-production and reconciling goods with prices. However, unless you have some giant fortune-telling machine which effortlessly tells you exactly how many Mazda Miatas will be purchased at certain levels of price over the next year, you’re always going to have to deal with price innefficiencies and over-production driving prices down. Whether a steel mill is owned by a capitalist or owned by the government, if it produces more steel than industries need, the relative worth of that steel will drop, and therefore the industry will slow down for the next few years in order to keep pace with demand, and workers will be fired.

So why is this a flaw of capitalism? It’s a flaw of any economic system- you have to try and match demand with supply, and without the magic crystal ball, you can’t do it perfectly. Ergo, industries which over-produce slow down, and the workers get fired.

The first MAJOR flaw in Marx’s philosophy is the Labour theory of value. Marx states that the value of something is dependent on the labour that created it. This is absolute nonsense.

Here’s a thought experiment for you: Does a big hole have value? If I spent a year’s labour (and I’m paid $50,000)digging a big hole, is that hole worth $50,000?

Now, how about if we pay someone else $50,000 to fill in the hole. Now there is no hole at all, but we’ve spent $100,000. So where did all that value go?

Once you throw out the notion that labor=value, the rest of Marx’s flimsy construct collapses at all.

What is value? Value is contained in a product that improves someone’s life in some way. How do we determine that value? Why, we determine it by offering the product on the market and letting people bid for it. If they are rational, they will pay what it is worth, overall.

How do capitalists add value? By coming up with good ideas, innovations, and by building an infrastructure which magnifies the labour potential of people.

Capitalists don’t ‘exploit’ workers - you could easily say that workers exploit capitalists, because the capitalists provide machines and tools that allow them to create much more value with their labour than they otherwise could. But in fact, no one is exploited, because they freely contract with each other for services.

Why do you think auto workers earn a good salary? Because of the union? Nope. The union may get them a few extra points here and there, but mainly auto workers are paid well because the auto company they work for has invested heavily in an infrastructure that allows the workers to be much more productive. If cars were built by hand, they would be too expensive for almost anyone to own, and the people who build them would have to earn peanuts.

In a capitalist system, money and power tends to flow to those who are most efficient in using it. THEY build the infrastructure that we all benefit from. It’s a myth that the average rich person is a spoiled brat cruising the Pacific in his yacht while the poor workers toil away in his factories. In truth, the average rich person works hard, makes good decisions (or at least better than those who never made it), and invests most of his profit back into the business, which allows him to pay workers more or hire more workers.

For Mr. Zambezi and John Corrado. Right now I’m keeping this to a discussion on capitalism and it’s problems. I’m going to address how socialism actually works at a later date, after I’ve read The Fatal Conceit, which Libertarian keeps wildly flinging around like some magic shield.

Specificly for Mr. Z, we’ve already gone over the motivation to work under socialism. You and I will not see eye to eye on it and I think we’ve exhausted the possibilities of debate. I have no desire to bring it up in yet another thread.

And 99% of the working class does not have the freedom to go live a hunter gatherer life. Where are you supposed to do it? As any historian will admit, people were forcibly driven into capitalism. They were ejected from serfdom (something that many serfs opposed) and property that was once public (that they could survive off of) was made private. It was not a conscious choice.

For John. Thanks, it’s nice to see a conservative with common sense who will admit the flaws of capitalism. I will very happily trumpet it’s successes and progressive features. Yes, it is better than feudalism. Yes, it has/had a place in the world.

For Sam. I’ll address your point in my next post. Need to do some digging.

Marx Said:

This paragraph is a good example of Marx’s third-rate thinking. First, he claims that ALL commodities have labour as part of their creation. Then, since labour is the one common characteristic of all commodities, he determines that labour must be what determines their value.

So, is what he says true? First, do all commodities have labour as part of them? Obviously not. two pieces of identical property can have wildly different values depending on the natural view they have. If I find a Gold nugget, it’s worth much more than a nugget of quartz, even though neither have any labour value attached to them.

Anyway, let’s assume that labour makes up a part of everything tradeable. How do you get from that that labour is the ONLY value? All tradeable objects also have mass. Couldn’t we simply assign value by weight? His whole logical structure is flawed.

Does labour have ANYTHING to do with the value of something? Certainly not in any direct sense. I’m a terrible artist. It would take me hours and hours to draw a portrait of someone, and it wouldn’t be very good. A great artist could make a better portrait in five minutes. So which one has more value?

Labour is part of the COST of something. It has nothing to do with its value. If its value is lower than the cost of labour, it won’t be made, or it won’t be sold at a price that recoups the labour.

This is the kind of crap you find all through Marx’s writing. His material reads like pop science - lots of cool sound bites, but backed up with poor logic and little or no empirical evidence.

No problem. Thank you for thinking that I have common sense; I don’t get that compliment a lot. :slight_smile:

See now- you made me use a smiley. Have to go kill you now.

Anyways; my pro-capitalism fervor is not based in the belief that capitalism is an absolutely perfect system. Were I to believe that, I’d go join the Libertarians. My fervor is based upon the belief that regulated capitalism is the best of all possible, plausible systems; my distaste for Communism is mostly based upon my belief that it is not a possible, plausible system.

So I’ll probably stay mostly out of the debate until you’ve read that book and begun to posit alternative systems to capitalism; I think analyzing capitalism without suggesting systems that could do the same job without the flaws is moot.

You mean the one between your ears? :smiley:

A very nice rambling job until you figured out Marx is using manufactured value meaning cost of production and “exchange value” to mean cost.

It is clear to me how “exchange value” is established in a capitalist economy. How is it established in the communist economy?

I believe it is co-equal to the cost of manufacture and distribution, although some goods could be subsidized.

Honest, I am not trying to beg the question, but how then are the costs of manufacture and distribution established?

And if some goods are subsidized then does that not imply that other goods are going to be artificially inflated?