Are you conceding my point J.Mace that Morsi for about a year was the head of state who did not have legitimate effective control over his nation’s military?
I see you dodged having a response to my question about this I see.
Morsi didn’t have effective control of the military because the constitution didn’t allow it. You make it sound as if this was some failure on his part.
Then you go and make up yet another “rule” (that only you believe in) about a president not being democratically elected if he doesn’t control the military. So, no I don’t accept that a president who was democratically elected wasn’t democratically elected just because you made up something in order to defend an indefensible position.
And, the newly elected president (assuming elections do take place) also will not have control over the military for the same reason. But that won’t make him not “democratically elected”.
Apparently you agree that Morsi was democratically elected but never gained control of the military as is normal for most democratically elected heads of state if not all. Is that correct?
I guess most of us have not been following the news very closely.
Good for Obama. It looks like he was at least attempting to follow the law afterall.
And it looks like Obama was in agreement with McCain et al. I’m sure NFBW will now tell us that Obama was absolutely right in doing what he had early said Obama shouldn’t do.
No, that is not correct. There is no requirement, except the one you made up, that a democratically elected president has to have full control of the military. And Morsi didn’t “gain” control of the military because it was impossible to do so under the constitution. I didn’t “gain” control of their military either.
I guess, technically word-for-word, ‘The leader’ lied and not ‘Morsi’ and ‘negated the validity’ is not ‘invalid’.
Still waiting for an answer to this one.
I’m not making it sound as if that was Morsi’s failure. You are in error again. Morsi’s failure/misstep was to attempt to put Islamists in the military instead of working with the more moderates in the military leadership.
My point has been that to be a head of state of a duly elected government and not have full and complete authority over the military and then be ousted by the military, makes that military take/over to be more of a constitutional act than a military coup.
It’s still a coup but it is an uncommon version of a coup.
Simple question. Dodge of an answer. The question is…was Morsi a democratically elected head of state who did not control the military as is normal for most democratically elected heads of state.
And your answer is no that is not correct. Please clarify?
Here’s a clue to why your reply is silly. I did not claim that it was a requirement / I said it was normal.
“Did not gain” is a failure, to anyone who speaks English normally. I’m not in error. You’re just trying, yet again, to change the plain meaning of words to suit your purpose.
Can you quote the part of the constitution that allow the military to take over the civilian branch of the government?
There is nothing uncommonly uncouplike for the military to oust a sitting president.
Cite the full context of my post - and will point out your error.
You’re way behind on answering my question, so no more until you do so.
ETA: Never mind, I’m not interested in your answer anyway.
I don’t accept that it’s “normal” anymore than it’s “normal” for a president to be male. You can keep up this silly game and the answer is always going to be the same. Your made up rules mean nothing to anyone except you.
Good for Obama - he is not breaking the law the way some would have him do.
Regards,
Shodan
There is no error. You have been caught yet again in contradicting yourself. I never viewed it as a coup/I always viewed it as a coup, lies negate the validity of an election/lies don’t make an election invalid, military coups are democracy in action, rigged votes are legitimate/rigged votes aren’t legitimate, locking people up for campaigning is democracy in action, war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength.
Regards,
Shodan
No it’s not a failure. I speak normal English. You are silly.
Anyway I told you what Morsi’s failure was. It was trying to put Islamists in control of the military. So his failure was to try to gain control of the military for the very wrong reasons. And according to you he was not ever going to get it. So if you are correct then Morsi failed to understand his own constitution.
You certainly blew this one.
I guess I’ve lacked the fortitude to keep pushing the boulder up the hill knowing it’s just going to roll down again and try to engage him and hadn’t noticed he does it to everyone.
You do know that this is a message board, right? If I haven’t replied to you inside an hour that doesn’t mean I’ve dissapeared. Responding to the same post more than once really makes it look like you’re pulling things together on the fly, especially when you do it repeatedly.
Yeah, you did. Just like you tried to hand wave away that there was a military coup.
It was a coup that wasn’t a coup that was an uncommon version of coup.
It’s going to be whatever he needs it to be at any given time, depending on what supports his preconceived ideas. And if it’s a coup one day, and not a coup the next, then you don’t get his point.
No. You are ignoring the full post. One part of a paragraph that you cite is an explanation as to why I do not view the coup to apply literally and legally in the context of the US law that’s been discussed.
That does negate my view that what happened is a military coup as I stated in the same post.
Your refusal to acknowledge the full context of my post is evidence that your reading of my posts suffer a consistent lack of comprehension that I can do nothing to help straighten you out.
Have you ever noticed that everyone in almost every thread you participate in has a “consistent lack of comprehension” except for you? That’s an amazing coincidence.
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You have no cite for either one. And that is part of disappearing. You reply but you do not engage. You just repeat the initial ill-informed snippets you pick up in the first place and then go away permanently having never gotten deeper the a snip here and a snip there.
US Aid is flowing to General Sisi’s Army as we speak. What law or legal definition did I or Obama hand wave away about a military coup.
Do you have no answer?