Is Edward Said's "Orientalism" a worthwhile read for the layperson?

Here is the book

Orientalism
by Edward W. Said

Seems interesting. Has anyone read it? Do you think it’s worthwhile.

I’m going to admit to only a passing familiarity with Said and his writings, mostly from The Nation, but I have to ask: Is this a synchronicity moment?

I just saw on NYTimes.com that he died today at age 67 after a long fight with leukemia.

I was asking because in the story about his death someone on NPR was commenting on this book as his most important work.

I’ve read Cultural Imperialism which I found fascinating but heavy going at times. It’s very academic, a lot of literary criticism with a post modern slant (if that makes any sense). But definitely worthwhile for this layperson at least.

I’d imagine Orientalism is a bit more generalised than Cultural Imperialism so even more “lay person worthy”.

I had to read it for a class I took last spring.

Read it.

you can google and read tons of excerpts on line. I spent a few hours doing that and decided I didn’t want to bother with his book. YMMV

The problem is, Said is wrote a very plodding and technical book in a literary critique manner. Its very thick, albeit not super long, ya know? Probably not worth your time.

I had to study it for a graduate Middle Eastern theory class, I don’t hesitate to call it a seminal work. It’s revered in many academic circles. However, if you do you read you may want to consider reading its polar opposite as well, Bernard Lewis’ “What Went Wrong.”

If you’re interested one of my classmates who is a brilliant Indian exchange student wrote an absolutely phenomenal book review of “Orientalism” that I don’t think he would mind my posting here.

If the mods are willing, sure! I’d love to see it.

Surprisingly enough, I’ve never read any Said except excerpts. My reaction was pretty similar to China Guy’s, though I do feel a bit of a lack for never having taken the time to plow through it myself.

However he has been criticized for what his critics claim are exaggerated views and somewhat weak or questionable historicity. One notable former poster’s comments from an old thread:

From here: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=198523

A wee bit strongly stated, perhaps :D. But just as an example of a different perspective. I’d say go ahead and tackle it if you’re interested, though. It certainly can be considered an important piece just from the response it has generated, if nothing else.

As an aside, I’ll just mention that I have not always been overly taken with Lewis’ modern political analyses. Not that he doesn’t know his stuff or that they are worthless by any means - I think many of his books are quite good. But he is more of a medievalist by training and sometimes seems to overemphasize classical Islamic philosophy and political thought over more modern takes. Not a devastating criticism, but one to bear in mind when reading those more modern works.

  • Tamerlane

Personally I think Lewis and Said are guilty of the same crime, but from opposite ends of the spectrum. Whereas Said makes the case the West is primarily responsible for the woes of the Middle East, Lewis argues that their problems are entirely self-wrought. Which is why I recommend reading both and choosing where in that spectrum your opinion lays.

A few people seem to be implying that if you don’t agree with Said’s political or historical argument, you can probably not bother reading the book. If this is the implication, then i reject it wholeheartedly. Often the most challenging and interesting books are those that offer a new perspective. I don’t think much of Thoams Malthus’s ideas, nor of some of Niccolo Machiavelli’s, but it doesn’t mean i don’t think they’re worth reading.

The book is certainly something of a polemic, but then some of the best books are. Nothing wrong with a strong argument, forcefully stated, as long as it is not a product of wilfull deception or misrepresentation. Of course, some of Said’s critics have accused him of exactly that, so you’ll need to make up your own mind.

The post quoted by tamerlane takes Said to task for writing poor history. Now, i’m sure that the Doper concerned knows more about the Middle East than i do, but to dismiss the book in that way really shows a very narrow grasp of what it tried to do. It’s a book of literary and artistic analysis, and an interpretation of attitudes, as much as it is a straight-out history. To dismiss it so casually is pretty narrow-minded, especially given the influence it has had.

The only problem with cainxinth’s ppost, in my opinion, is that arguments such as this often imply (intentionally or otherwise) that if you pick the two “extremes” and read both, then you’ll probably fall into some moderate and largely correct position on the issue at hand. I don’t think it works like this; it certainly doesn’t for me, anyway.

Finally, on the issue of whether it’s any good for a “layperson,” i really prefer not to make distinctions like this. I realize that it is often necessary in technical disciplines like science and engineering, but in the humanities and the arts i think that most intelligent people can grasp the concepts as long as they’re willing to put in a bit of work. Said can be tough at times, but if you keep a dictionary beside you and immerse yourself in the work (this is not a book to read on the subway), i think you can get plenty out of it.

At the very least, read the introduction. It’s a good summary of the argument, and gives you a feel for his writing style.

The other thing I have with Said is that although it is called “orientalism”, he deals with the middle east. Should toss this out during the next time the Asian versus Oriental debate comes up. From all the excerpts I plowed through, I didn’t see anything particulary relevant to East Asia, which is what I’m interested in and what I consider the Orient.

China Guy: I was going to suggest passing on the book, but perhaps there are chestnuts which could help you expand your mind a bit.

Full disclosure: I have read Said’s Covering Islam, which I did not find all that groundbreaking or revelatory. He’s a bit of a Marxist, in that he argues that it’s the system which is to blame and how the world is politically ordered which is the problem, not Islam. Despite that, Orientalism sits on my bookshelf, albeit mostly unread. I did get through a bit of the very beginning and skimmed through some of the footnotes and other parts.

“Orientalism” is used by Said in this way: the Middle East was colonized by Europeans, who refer/referred to themselves as Occidental. Any culture/people outside the Occident is the Orient. Thus, the Orient encompasses, in the historic European mind, Palestine, Syria, Iran, India, i.e., not just the Far East.

Orientalism, to Said, is a way of looking at the people outside the Occident/North America in order to facilitate colonialism and subjugation. There are all kinds of ways, Said argues, which
Orientalism manifests itself in life in Europe and the US, big and small ways. He argues that Orientalism colors press coverage, language, literature, arts, trade, etc., basically everything.

So, if you are in the mood for a lecture, read it. But I also think it would be good to read because you may not have a good understanding of what helped lead to the era of European colonization.

I didn’t mean to imply it was some sort or automatic process or that it worked universally, but in this particular case I do feel that the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Astro, here’s the book review I promised. I’ll warn you, it’s quite long and the author is a veritable Said groupie, but an interesting an well articulated view none-the-less.

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