Is Fox News really all that bad?

The problem with Fox News is that the left cannot stand even one network that does not toe the line in what they think is acceptable.

The natural instant of the mid to far left now (in my observation the last 10 years or so) is to shout out or shut down anyone who does not agree with them.

Oh look, another person who needs to read the thread. http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16771193&postcount=307

Do you think think that shenanigans that have been described in this thread that have been done by Fox News are acceptable?

How do you square your observations with the continued success of FOXNews and the Murdoch empire, Limbaugh and EIB, and the ongoing proliferation of right-wing talk radio? I’m not seeing a lot of shouting out or shutting up.

The shenanigans by Fox News are no better, nor worse, than the ones pulled by all the other news outlets. They all pull shenanigans. They all are biased and they all pull shenanigans one way or another to support their bias. News is, and always has been, a consumer beware commodity.

I am not a right wing ideologue either. I have views that would get me thrown out of a gathering of a group of the tea party, deranged gun toting, cross bearing, righties. I also have other views that would have me thrown out of a gathering of the ACLU card bearing, Muslim loving, constitution hating lefties.

I am middle of the road and I don’t buy into the bullshit that is spouted out by either of the far wings on the right or left.

However I do feel that a tactic of the left side on the political spectrum is to shout out, and try to shut down anyone who disagrees with them.

See it all the time. Can’t be the only one.

No, the problem is that there seems to be a growing trend in this country that all opinions are valid, regardless if they are supported by facts, figures, science or reality. Fox News is a symptom of that trend. It panders to Middle Americans who like to get enraged whenever they are presented with something that contradicts what they already “know” to true, based on their “common sense”.
Not to mention that Fox News feels like watching a grown up version of a bunch of jocks discussing their poly-sci homework with their sorority girlfriends.

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You actually claim that the screamers like O’Reilly at FOX that do that to the guests that disagree with him is not common on the right?

In any case the ones that tell you that you did not read the thread are correct, I even linked to studies, from right wing think thanks even, that found that FOX is only reaching for false equivalences.

I don’t know where this lazy idea came from that we can just assume that all sides do it equally, when there is no evidence that it is so. Do you think that there is some sort of natural law that prevents one side from being worse than the other, The Law Of Balance Of News Morality? It doesn’t exist. If any other news outlet pulled the outrageous crap Fox has pulled over the years, don’t you think there would be equivalent stories out there about it?

Even here, you compare the posted crap pulled by one Fox network to the anonymous crap supposedly pulled by all the other unnamed networks, then wave your hands and say “one equals the other.” Why don’t you just go ahead and give us examples from one network that is as bad, and as frequent, as the ones from Fox News shown here?

Nicely said.

Maybe it’s just one of those things that he “knows” to be true based on his “common sense”. :slight_smile:

Amazing. Reading the above I am now informed that all the other news outlets, in the shenanigans department, are free of sin.

Sorry, not buying that dog food.

Where are these “Constitution-hating lefties” you speak of?

Amazing. Reading the above I am now informed that you did not understand what you read.

Based on this comment, it appears that you have no understanding whatsoever of what the ACLU stands for.

This is a totally awesome comment coming from you.

That was beautiful, man. I’m just not creative enough to get the hidden messages of these posts.

If one of your views is “I like to eat dog food”, I’m not surprised.:smiley:

Nice strawman. Nobody brought up anything about anything being free of sin until you did. What has been said is that Fox News is demonstratively full of crap compared to it’s peers.

Don’t agree? This entire thread is filled with evidence. Post some evidence of your own.

If all you have is strawman and no evidence, it’s possible your position is incorrect.

Fox morning program Fox And Friends is against Obama not doing something. Until he does it. Then they’re against him doing it:

Yes, there is bias - Obama bad! - but the issue isn’t the bias. It’s how that bias alters their coverage.

Even this, on a show that is ostensibly commentary and not news, where fact-finders are not at play since it’s a matter of opinion, the network shows why they are really all that bad.

As noted in another thread:

The Republican-chaired House Intelligence Committee investigation into Benghazi concluded that there was no wrongdoing or coverup by the Obama administration. All the other major news outlets reported that, e.g. Bloomberg - Are you a robot?.

Fox’s account had a meaningless side issue for the headline, and misleadingly stressed that the report concluded that there was no protest before the attack, while not mentioning that the report acknowledged that at the time Susan Rice gave her summary of intelligence findings on TV, there were several reports of a protest, from many sources. Fox completely ignored the main conclusion, i.e. no coverup by the administration.

I don’t know what could make it more clear that Fox is for right-wing propaganda, not news. They don’t even pretend to be objective any more.

“Is Fox News really all that bad?”

No. It is really no different than any of the other news channels (including the “moderate” CNN).

But liberals need go-to boogeymen.

Fox News is one of them.

The Koch Brothers are another.

Sarah Palin was, but her time has passed.