I don’t have time to see the whole video, and if I try to fast-forward it just starts over. Does the analyst ever talk specifically about Trump’s request to Russia, or does he continue droning on about Russian spying in general for the rest of the vid?
My friends. Consider the following:
News flash “Trump calls on Russia to “Find” the 30,000 missing Clinton emails”. Clearly (at least to me) that is a tongue in cheek comment by Trump, and a bit of a jab at Clinton.
However it is clever. It reminds people that Hillary has not been truthful since day one on the email thing. It reminds people that there are 30,000 missing emails and perhaps some of them she not wants to get out. Already 65% of voters thinks Clinton is dishonest so it falls right into that theme Clinton is trying to overcome.
Then he calls on Russia to find them. It’s a fucking joke, can’t you see that ? I am sure most people see it that way.
However it is now the headline on ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and the other news organizations. Right up there with the headline there is the Donald’s picture. Exactly what he wants.
What week is this? Wait, wait it’s coming to me…oh Yes, the Democrat National Convention week. Who’s picture should be up there is Hillary, but she got one upped on by The Donald on this news cycle. Exactly his intent with a joke.
CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, the other news outlets all fell for it and put it up there front and center.
Fox News, perhaps they saw the joke of it, and decided other news would be more important.
Riiight.
I saw the Fox report, and even they aren’t seeing what you are seeing. If this was such a brilliant move on Trump’s part, surely they and the RNC wouldn’t be so fucking aghast at his words.
I didn’t watch the video. I was just noting that NoScript blocked that section from loading-just a blank space.
I don’t think it was a planned move on Trumps part. I think it was a tongue in cheek joke that he just threw it out there to see what would be run with it, and it took off.
I do think most average people are chuckling at the thought of it, which is not in Hillary’s favor and that is now propelled by the main street media.
Holy shit, I can’t believe I am the only one that sees this is a joke that is being taken way too seriously.
On legitimate news sites, it’s the number one story currently. On Fox, after a few hours, they dropped a video, with no comment or article at the bottom of the page. The lead story currently being something about Jill Stein, which is apparently more important, I guess.
The Russia/Trump story, according to Fox, ranks below a story about whether the Mississippi flag was prematurely taken down at the DNC and a bull that entered a bank in Spain. No, seriously.
Yep, that’s the current spin:
“Please don’t listen to a word that our candidate says. He doesn’t mean anything… he was… joking! Ya, that’s the ticket, it was a big joke! Now please move on to something else. Look away.”
Some Republicans didn’t see the joke of it:
'William Inboden, who served on the NSC during the George W. Bush administration, said Trump’s comments were “tantamount to treason.”
‘“Trump’s appeal for a foreign government hostile to the United States to manipulate our electoral process is not an assault on Hillary Clinton, it is an assault on the Constitution,” said Inboden, who now teaches at the University of Texas at Austin.’
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/trump-russia-clinton-emails-treason-226303
Even if Trump thought he was making a joke, it’s not a fucking joke.
Regardless of whether it’s a joke, it’s certainly news. And Fox News is, for some reason, not reporting it. I mean, these are headlines on foxnews right now:
Police: Pennsylvania bridal shop co-owner stood naked in store window
Band of monkeys raid Thai polling place
Suspect accused of beating turtle to death with hammer claims self-defense
He repeated it on Twitter.
When Bill O’Reilly of Fox News was “fact-checking” (put in quotation marks because, well, you know) he made the following comments in regard to to Michelle Obama’s mentioning that the White House was built by slaves:
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Slaves that worked [at the White House] were well-fed and had decent lodgings provided by the government.
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Aside from the fact that slavery is morally reprehensible no matter the circumstances, he was proven wrong by no less than the first First Lady to occupy the building as it was being constructed.
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Two of our hardy N England men would do as much work in a day as the whole 12, but it is true Republicanism that drive the Slaves half fed, and destitute of cloathing, … to labour, whilst the owner waches about Idle, tho his one Slave is all the property he can boast.
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(Quotes from The Atlantic)
Abigail Adams died nearly 200 years ago, and even she can see how horrible Fox News is.
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
At least the Wizard of Oz had the decency to hide himself. In this case, it’s the man in front of the curtain they don’t want you to pay attention to.
New Republican book, Some Dare Call it Treason! Not many, but some.
I don’t have any problem with the Democrats trying to make a bigger deal out of this than it seems to me. Who knows, it might stick more than previous statements that were ‘finally going to undo Trump’, or according to the rationale I heard earlier today on another thread that ‘each such incident is gradually weighing Trump down’*.
But I believe if one makes enough effort to de-spin themselves and try to be detached, it’s actually questionable whether this deserves extensive coverage. Trump did not actually ‘invite Russia to hack’. The implied idea is that they already hacked the non-secure Clinton server which the FBI said is very possible. And Clinton deleted the emails FBI couldn’t recover a lot with full access. So how could hacker reconstruct them now? That doesn’t make sense. He’s saying, even assuming seriousness, why don’t you release those mails you already hacked? A stupid statement IMO, but Democrats and media friends are getting to the verge of hysterical IMO and as you say at some point to average people the overwrought reaction to Trump becomes just as WTF as the original thing that set it off: a recurrent pattern, part of the explanation why nobody has stopped this guy.
Fox has been being generally friendly to Trump, no question in my mind. But its refusal to go along with the media frenzy on this story is not proof of it. Most of the people at the other outlets are liberals. This is no conspiracy theory but self evident. They don’t like Trump with their political hats on. They have though also indulged him with their ratings whore hats on. They feel guilty, and alarmed he hasn’t been taken down, and are now gunning for him more than before.
I don’t defend Fox. I just don’t think it falls as far below the average of crappy US media, especially crappy cable news competitors, as its left leaning critics think.
*except a) there’s no real logic to a gradual process by which each outrageous statement would weigh a little big more against a candidate; it’s not such a process for already anti-Trump people, wasn’t for me, (can anyone here say it was for them?) so why think that’s the process for anyone else? b) Trump has been gaining noticeably recently, strange if his statements are gradually undermining him.
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Which is it: “most” people know it’s a joke or you are the only one who sees this is a joke?
I don’t think they need to push the gaffe per se. That doesn’t work. Just start pushing a “Trump is friendly to Russia” narrative. He’s already had said that he thought he’d get along with him.
One thing that frightens Trump’s base is the idea of communism. And the narrative is that Trump is his own man. If he’s actually a patsy of Russia and secretly supporting communism, that changes that.
These are scary times, to the point that I’m not sure how much more I can even participate beyond just voting when I have to, and then trying to stave off a panic attack. So I don’t really have a problem with getting dirty like that.
Is funny joke.
“Trump asks Russia to hobble his political opponent while at the same time espousing policies that suggest that the US will not come to the defense of Ukraine or the Baltic states in the event Russia has any ‘ambitions’ in those countries - oh and after he has been endorsed by Russia’s leader and has expressed admiration for the same” is very funny joke and is not at all seriously worrying.
We are all making with the jollity and ha ha right now.
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Abigail Adams died nearly 200 years ago, and even she can see how horrible Fox News is.
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Who are you going to trust- O’Reilly, who has access to the internet and ghost writers, or some chick who just happened to be there when it was being built and has a vested interest in playing along with another First Lady?