All of which, even if it were true (which it is not) has nothing whatsoever to do with proving god exists, or the origin of the universe, life, speciation, or anything we’ve been talking about here. A dying brain experiences hallucinations, that’s the sum of it.
Exactly. The people who have had near-death experiences were not “clinically dead.” They were “near death.” Their brains were running short on oxygen, but their brains had not flatlined.
It may be some day that flatlined brains can be resuscitated – as in one Star Trek episode. But not today. The cessation of brain-wave activity has never been observed to be reversed.
It’s a good feeling, isn’t it? :rolleyes:
Askance, you’re not getting with the program here at all. Here’s the simple truth. I’m not here to convert any of you or even convince you of what I believe. All of us here are so firmly fixed in our beliefs that no one, not even God Himself coming down from heaven, could convince us to think otherwise. I’ve been at this too long to think I can influence you to come around to my way of thinking. That’s why I don’t write long treatises when someone says, “Prove that to me” or “You’re just making a fool of yourself”. It washes right off my back and onto the ground.
My job here is to throw out some unconventional ideas that might cause a few lurkers to think about what I said and do some research on the Internet to see if what I’ve said is justified. As I said before I’ve NEVER said anything in a deliberate attempt to deceive. That’s kids stuff and a waste of my time and yours.
Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to call me out on what I say and if proof is handy I will try to substantiate my claims. If it’s not handy, I won’t. Simple as that. But I certainly am NOT going to go hunting for hours to substantiate a statement like “birds can fly” just because you or someone else says, “Prove it.” The truth of the matter is you know that birds can fly and you don’t need me doing hours of research to dig it up. But I do know of people who deliberately attempt to sent commentators on fact-finding missions that last for days and then expect a book-length treatise on what they found just to get the satisfaction they got the poor sucker to go on a wild goose chase that in the final analysis wouldn’t turn their opinion a degree one way or the other.
Prove birds can fly? That’s for the birds, don’t ya know. 
Your ideas aren’t unconventional, they’re unsubstantiated.
Which is being done
Good, that’s what we are here for. Debate.
What a pity, so no debate then…and you are not willing to learn anything.
So, you are not here to persuade others of your views.
Off to IMHO where you do not need to support your beliefs.
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There’s plenty about the Bible that I don’t understand, but, I do know for a personal fact that Jesus is real and, to my way of thinking, the Bible by extension is loaded up with spiritual/mystical truth. As far as the worshipping thing goes, Methinks people are inherently beings that love to worship. Just look at how so many people get jacked up about their favorite football teams. Also, Satan is a real and formidable being and he wants to be worshipped and so, kinda like the Bible says, the goats and the sheep are being separated and we’ll all go to our most favorite God to spend eternity when the dust settles.
Maybe you need to research Occam’s Razor rather than NDEs
No, I don’t wear socks when I’m dopin’
You must forgive us if we don’t give much credence to your personal revelation. What’s glaringly true for you may not pass the scrutiny of science, nor be part of someone else’s “revelation.” As far as I am concerned, Jesus, Satan and “spiritual/mystical truth” exist only in your mind, and I won’t be taking only your word for it.
Although it’s “common knowledge” in woo-woo circles, no such event – if you’re talking about floating above the table or meeting Jesus – has ever withstood the bright light of scientific proof. So far, it falls squarely in the realm of misunderstanding, conjecture, tall tales, magic tricks, and wishful thinking. Or possibly a redefinition of “dead.”
Tomayto, tomahto.
As Pierre LaPlace so eloquently put it, “I have no need of that hypothesis.”
Are you aware that your complaint is with Christian theology only, and that most of the Bible does not propound that viewpoint?
You are making assumptions about people you don’t know. Believe it or not, some of us are here to learn with open minds.
Perhaps your mind is indeed closed, but don’t make the mistake of imputing your own shortcomings upon me.
The evidence for the Universe, abundant. The evidence for (G)god(s), non-existent.
No, please, not the Watchmaker! What’s next, your self discovered version of Pascal’s Wager?
(There’s a whole Interweb full of explanations of just how bad those arguments really are, look them up!)
What are the odds of winning the Powerball if the number is drawn millions, maybe hundreds or thousands of millions, of times each day?
CMC fnord!
“You must forgive us if we don’t give much credence to your personal revelation.”
Musicat, have you been appointed to speak for others? Also, I was merely giving my opinions based on some mystical experiences, never said a word about you or science needing to validate my views.
This brings to my mind That Jesus was quoted as telling the woman who asked him to heal her child,"I came only for the lost sheep of Israel he id heal the child, but it indicates that it was not his purpose to save the entire world but just the lost sheep of Israel; Just as a human may stop along the way to help some one in need he may help them ,but that was not the reason or purpose for being on the road at the same time.
Appointed? Get real. But it’s a common stance among non-believers of supernatural phenomena. We don’t instantly believe every crazy story without evidence, no matter how sincere you may be.