Is Hollywood nuts for actors turned directors?

Why does Hollywood go ga-ga over actors that become directors? I’m thinking of Mel Gibson, Clint Eastwood, Ron Howard, Robert Redford and, ugh, Warren Beatty amongst others. I mean they’ve directed decent movies but come on! Warren Beatty wins the Oscar for best director for Reds? Robert Redford for best director and film for Ordinary People? Kevin Costner for Dances with Wolves? Over Goodfellas?!? The list goes on.

Some actors are great directors - Woody Allen, John Huston and Orson Welles and they deserve to be recognized. The only film by one of the actor/directors listed above that I feel deserved the accolates they received is Unforgiven.

I’m getting tired of Hollywood fawning over these guys. Is it just me? Was Mystic River one of the best movies of 2003? Does Million Dollar Baby deserve to win an Oscar? Maybe I’m being overly harsh. Hollywood, like any other “family” likes to root for their own and it’s seems rare that the best nominee ever wins anyhow. Or that the best film even gets nominated.

For directing? I don’t think that would be bad at all.

Why are actors “their own” and not directors?

First, “Mystic River” did NOT earn any Oscars for Clint Eastwood. It earned awards for two of the actors in it, but Eastwood didn’t receive one for his direction. The only Best Director Oscar he’s won was for “Unforgiven,” which you say yourself was a worthy film.

It’s also worth noting that it’s directors who select the winner of the Best Director Oscar (that’s why the winner of the Directors’ guild award is usually the same as the winner of the Oscar). So, it’s not as if a bunch of actors and actresses are picking fellow thespians like Kevin Costner and Mel Gibson over “serious” professional directors. It’s DIRECTORS who are making the choices you don’t like.
So, if you’re angry that someone like Robert Altman (incredibly overrated) or Martin Scorsese has never won the Oscar as Best Director, you have to blame his fellow directors!

As for the worthiness of the actor-directors who HAVE won the Oscar as Best Director… well, people can argue all day about the merits of their films AND about the real contribution each man made as a director. I happen to think both “Dances With Wolves” and “Goodfellas” were excellent (though VERY different) films- so while Martin Scorsese was certainly deserving of an award, Kevin Costner’s victory didn’t strike me as a great injustice.

If there’s an injustice, it may lie in this: Oscar voters seem to have a preference for a certain type of film: they like historical epics, preferably epics filled with sweeping, panoramic landscapes and period costumes. David Lean specialized in just the type of films the Academy likes to honor. Smaller, more personal films usually don’t charm voters or win awards.

So, it’ll be ironic (but not surprising) if Martin Scorsese (who earned his great reputation by making small, gritty, personal films) finally gets his Oscar for “The Aviator,” which is the kind of traditional, historical epic the Academy likes.

An anecdote from Bobby & Peter Farrelly comes to mind. The Farrelly brothers told Newsweek once, “We wish EVERYBODY could direct a movie. BEcause you know what? Everybody COULD!”

They weren’t saying this to disparage serious, capable directors. They were simply making the point that the title of “director” doesn’t NECESSARILY Mean much. The Farrelly boys get “Director” credits in all their movies, but they’ll freely concede that on their shoots, the cinematographer is pretty much on his own and the production designer does most of the real work in getting scenes set up. So, if “Dumb and Dumber” turned out to be a hilarious movie (a matter of opinion) and a smash hit (it was!), that doesn’t mean the Farrellys are geniuses (they themselves would scoff at such a notion).

A movie director, like a head coach in football, CAN be a tactical genius who’s involved in every aspect of his team’s performance. Or he CAN be a loose supervisor who hires smart people to handle the details, and lets them do their jobs. Both types of directors/coaches can be successful, and both types have been. If a team wins a Super Bowl under a coach who’s NOT a micromanager, I’d say he’s worthy of the Coach of the Year award, even if he’s not as smart or hard-working as some of his less-successful colleagues. And in the same way, IF it were to turn out that (for the sake of argument) Mel Gibson was a hands-off director on “Braveheart,” and that his crew did most of the real work, I’d say “So what?” If the end result was a great movie (I think it was; others will disagree), the director deserves whatever awards he gets. He’ll sure take plenty of abuse if the end result is a turkey (ask Kevin Costner about his subsequent films!).

Point No. 1: By my count, there have been only six (seven, depending on how we count Ron Howard, who hasn’t acted full-time since the early 1980’s) Best Director winners known equally or more so for acting (Allen, Redford, Beatty, Sir Richard Attenborough, Costner, Eastwood, and Gibson), so it isn’t quite on the level you suggest.

Point No. 2: Who should have won the Best Director Oscar instead of Warren Beatty? Here are the nominees

I’d have voted for Spielberg for Raiders, but your point is valid.

As for what astorian said about only Directors voting for BEST DIRECTOR, I wasn’t sure that was the way it was done. I thought that was how the top five nominations were done and then the WHOLE Academy could vote from among the five finalists.

I could easily be wrong.

I don’t have a cite handy, but I’m pretty sure that you are right. Directors nominate directors, actors nominate actors, cinematographers nominate cinematographers and so on, and everyone votes on the winners.

Actually, once the nominees are decided, all Academy members get to vote on any category Here and all members get to eligible to select the best picture nominee Here

I was right, apparently.

People nominate in their own category (every member regardless of Guild can nominate for the BIG PRIZE) and then vote for almost all (I imagine the “almost” means a few technical awards are not voted on by everyone. Or the Honorary Awards.)

http://www.oscar.com/legacy/faq/03.html

More on the “almost.”

http://www.oscars.org/77academyawards/nomannc/

Sorry about the poor grammer. I hit submit instead of preview. :smiley:

I didn’t mean to talk so much about the Academy awards. I just felt that it would express my opinions a little more vividly. It just seems to me that Hollywood is ready to idolize people already in the business. Clint’s great but he’s been in and directed quite a few pretty bad films. At least as many good ones he’s been attached to, IMHO. Ron Howard still hasn’t grown much as a director over the last couple of decades, again IMHO. And sure the nominees for best director for 1981 wasn’t all that great to begin with, but would have Reds even been up for one if Warren Beatty didn’t direct it?

I’m just wondering if these people weren’t already in show business, would they even have a chance to direct a film? Would people love Mystic River or A Beautiful Mind if an unknown person directed them? The Farrelly brothers say that anyone can direct a film. Sure if you have the right people behind you. That’s kind of the point I’m getting at. If you have a great cinematographer to make it look great and a professional production designer to get everything just right, yeah you can make a film. Probably a pretty good one at that.

But what seperates a great director from a good one is vision. No matter what the Farrellys say or what anyone thinks, not just everyone can be a great director. For every Kurosawa or Scorsese, there’s a hundred decent, mediocre, or just plain bad directors. I feel that Hollywood and maybe the public, tends to push their beloved actors who turn directors in the great range. I just don’t see it.

I thought Mystic River was the second best picture last year. So I guess it is all subjective.

Odd how Charleton Heston says there are more Republican in the closet than gays in Hollywood and Eastwood, a Republican who won elected office, is one of the most popular guys around.

That has nothing to do with the topic, it is just something I have been mulling over because of the discussion about how beloved Eastwood is during Oscar season.

First, it appears I was wrong abvout the way the Best Director Oscar is selected, and I apologize for misleading people.

That said, the attached link shows the annual choices of the Directors Guild.

http://www.oscarguy.com/Precursors/DGA.html

You’ll find that in ALMOST every case, the directors of America chose to honor the same man the Academy at large chose.

The Directors Guild honored Ron Howard over Robert Altman, Robert (“Ordinary People”) Redford over Martin Scorsese, Kevin (“Dances With Wolves”) over Scorsese again. They’ve also gave their top award to Clint Eastwood. They did bypass Mel Gibson, of course, but that year, they honored former actor Ron Howard!

So, again, IF you’re outraged that someone like Scorsese or Robert Altman hasn’t received an Oscar, his fellow directors seem to be as culpable as anyone. And IF Hollywood is overly enamored of actors-turned-directors, well, directors seem to share this fondness!

I read in EW that directors think Scorcese has been snubbed in the past but are not going to do a “make-up” call for him because he is not well liked personally.

Directors vote for actors because actors can get work for the directors. Quid pro quo, and all that jazz…

Well, I can’t say I’m outraged. Like I said earlier, I didn’t mean this thread to be just about who won what Oscar. I was using the Academy as a gauge to what should be considered the truly great films and filmmakers of any given year. This whole actor turned director thing was something I wanted to point out and see if anyone agrees with me.

It just seems to me that it’s a little easier to be considered a great or serious director if you’re already established as an actor. This isn’t always true. Tom Hanks, Kevin Spacey, Nicolas Cage and others have taken a stab at directing and not much has become of it. But a certain type of nepitisim seems to come into play within show business and people seem to be a little quick about patting each other on the back without being truly objective.

Though if the Oscar goes to Scorcese this year, the DGA and the Academy will only have come to the same conclusion 3 out of the past 6 years.

Not sure if that suggests a new trend, a slight aberration in voting tastes, or what.