Is Israel an apartheid regime

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@Babale

I said no nation would release intelligence to justify what they were doing.

…I wasn’t asking for intelligence. I asked for transparency and accountability. YOU made it about intelligence. You can do both of those things, especially in regards to the bombing of refugee camps and ambulances, without compromising intelligence.

@Babale

There you go again, amplifying Hamas propaganda.

Amnesty International.

Israel's apartheid against Palestinians

@Ammensty International

Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.

Laws, policies and practices which are intended to maintain a cruel system of control over Palestinians, have left them fragmented geographically and politically, frequently impoverished, and in a constant state of fear and insecurity.

Human Rights Watch.

@HRW

For the past 54 years, Israeli authorities have facilitated the transfer of Jewish Israelis to the OPT and granted them a superior status under the law as compared to Palestinians living in the same territory when it comes to civil rights, access to land, and freedom to move, build, and confer residency rights to close relatives. While Palestinians have a limited degree of self-rule in parts of the OPT, Israel retains primary control over borders, airspace, the movement of people and goods, security, and the registry of the entire population, which in turn dictates such matters as legal status and eligibility to receive identity cards.

A Threshold Crossed

This is the second time you have accused me of amplifying Hamas propaganda. I was very measured the first time. I’m not going to be measured now. This is a disgusting allegation. I ask that you not only withdraw it this time, but apologize. I’m not amplifying Hamas propaganda. Israel’s Apartheid regime is absolutely well documented and there is more than enough evidence to show it.

@Riemann

This is not a “narrative” frame in the sense of an arbitrary perspective.

Its a narrative frame.

@Riemann

Civilians are not dying because Israel wants civilians to die.

The rhetoric coming from some people in Israel, just like the rhetoric coming from some people in Gaza, tells us this isn’t entirely true. There are people on both sides who want civilians punished. There are people on both sides who want revenge.

@Riemann

“it’s awful that innocent people are dying” contributes nothing to the debate,

This isn’t a debate. And enough people, even in this thread, don’t agree with you. There are people in this very thread who think that the laws of war don’t need to apply.

@Riemann

What matters is finding an answer to the difficult problem where conflicting absolute ideals cannot be reconciled.

What matters right now is an end to the siege. What matters right now is that we stop killing children. They have been debating the difficult problem where conflicting absolute ideals cannot be reconciled for decades. It isn’t going to be resolved in the next couple of weeks. If we focus only on this all we end up with is more dead children.

@Riemann

Unless you are prepared to engage with the difficult problem of how Israel can achieve their just objective in some better way,

Why is this only a one-way problem? What about the Palestinian people? What about their objectives? When Palestinians protest peacefully, they get shot. When Palestinians bury their dead, they get beaten. It didn’t matter what they did. They got ignored. So you think me changing my narrative frame would make any difference?