I stand with you against anyone blaming US society for all the ills attributed to inequity between the sexes. You slay those men of straw, and I’ll be right beside you!
And hopefully you’ll also stand beside me in fighting the various forms of discrimination against women that still remain.
What about all the abuse shelter centers?
What about the life expectancies[Black, Native American and Native Hawaiian men particularly]?
What about selective services?
What about the lack of gendered-marketing?
What about the double standards surrounding dating?
What about parenting or reproductive rights?
What about the man still paying for dinner?
Huh? If you want me to answer a question, please ask something specific. “What about…” doesn’t actually tell me what information you’re trying to acquire.
I’ll try to guess for the second (I can’t even guess what you’re asking about for the rest) – it is wrong that only men have to register for selective services, and this should be changed.
Female priviledges 
Listed and questioning female privileges.
I still don’t understand what you’re asking. Can you put it in a complete sentence, with details and context and all that good stuff?
Is 2018 and men still barely get access to abuse centers
Male life expectancies are still very steady, and especially for men of color
Why aren’t women in selective services?
A great example of a double standard would be not dating a guy because he’s bald, yet a woman being rejected for being morbidly obese sparks outrage
Men have and will, at times, face discrimination in courts when they assert their rights to pursue joint or sole physical custody. The judges and friend of the court workers that perpetuate the discrimination often don’t realize that they are discriminating. That is because many people are very susceptible to unconscious/ implicit bias
The gender marketing one is just something I care about only myself I guess
The last one should be obvious
Do you know why male life expectancies are lower? I don’t. Maybe discrimination is involved, or maybe it’s just biology. If discrimination is involved, then that is bad and should end.
I think the selective services thing is bad and should change. That is disparate treatment based on gender, and that’s bad.
I don’t know what you’re talking about with regards to dating. Who is outraged? Who is being treated unfairly?
For family courts, maybe discrimination is occurring sometimes. I don’t know. If so, this is bad and should be stopped.
What about the growing gap in higher education; would you support measures to pressure women’s colleges to admit men, or for school teachers to put more effort into teaching methods tailored to boys’ learning styles?
(Not to single you out, andy. As I’ve said, I find the overall situation to be extremely complicated; I just think a proper debate should take lots of different factors into account.)
I don’t know the details of this, but I’m at least open to considering the idea.
Please define “gendered-marketing.” What I would interpret the phrase to mean is things are marketed differently to men than they are to women. Which is our reality. Google “pink tax” and you can read a lot about that. Do you mean something else, though?
Why do you think it would be fair for women to have to register for selective service too? The draft is slavery, so to be fair no one should need to register, not everyone.
Conventional wisdom is that it’s a combination of biology and males engaging in more risk-taking behaviors. On average women get heart disease later than men do, and more men smoke, eat poorly, and manage stress poorly.
Well on the other hand women’s life expectancies have also declined lately so…
…where in the world do you live?
Do you think that the statement “men still barely get access to abuse centers” is a statement that is applicable everywhere in the world?
Can you provide some cites that this is an issue? How about starting where you live? What problems do men have accessing abuse centres? Have you contacted your local abuse centre and asked them what men who have been abused should do or where they should go?
What metrics are you using to determine male life expectancies are “very steady?” Cite?
What would you expect male life expectancy to be in a “male dominated world?” And can you give some reasons why you would expect this result?
Women aren’t “in” selective services where I live. And neither are men.
Do you really think that this is some sort of objective metric for determining if its a “male dominated world” or not?
Women have and will, at times, face discrimination in courts when they assert their rights to pursue joint or sole physical custody.
Both of these statements, in certain circumstances, are true. Sometimes the courts are just an arse.
But its incumbent on you, as the person who has made the positive assertion, to provide some sort of evidence to show that men face disproportionate levels of “discrimination.” And you need to be clear on what this “discrimination” actually is. There are certainly many men’s rights advocacy groups that make this claim. But when we take a closer look, often the claims are based on either one-sided anecdotes or a poor reading of the statistics.
So make a case that your assertion is true.
Then once you’ve made your case (or not) then make the case for why this particular fact is evidence that the world is not “male dominated.”
Or they’ve looked at all the facts of the case and made determinations based on what is best for the child.
What gender marketing thing?
Nope.
It does ?
Most of Luciano’s points aren’t particularly compelling. However, this one happens to be true for the U.S. - domestic abuse centers here only admit women and children. A battered man would have to go to a homeless shelter - if he can find one that isn’t full. We have a pretty significant housing crisis here - (600,000 chronically homeless, 2-2.5 million experiencing some degree of homelessness each year). As with most of our problems, it goes largely ignored.
…I did ask for cites.
If you want to claim that “it is true” then feel free to provide cites on Luciano700’s behalf.
How about you start with the claim that in the US “domestic abuse centers here only admit women and children?” Is that everywhere in the US? I won’t find a single domestic abuse center anywhere that admits men and women? I won’t find any domestic abuse centers that only admit men? Is this a law? Or does this only apply to some states and not others? Is the only option for battered men is to go to a homeless shelter? They don’t get put into hotels?
The thing about shelters is that women got together and created them because there was a critical need to save lives.
http://saintmarthas.org/resources/history-of-battered-womens-movement/
If all the men complaining about how they don’t have shelters to protect their lives from the homicidal women in their lives got together and raised the funds, built shelters, and volunteered to staff them the problem would be solved.
Yes, it is a problem, and IMO is another example of toxic masculinity being harmful to men; we are culturally programmed not to see men as victims of intimate partner abuse, or not worthy of protection.
Decent primer on the problem from NPR here. Interesting point in that one, from a researcher at Bridgewater State (MA):
Here’s a discussion of the first men-only DV shelter in Texas (which opened in 2017). And here’s one about the first such shelter in the country…which, would you believe, also opened in 2017.
So yeah, the blind squirrel found a nut. The patriarchy fucks men over, too. Not nearly to the same degree, but that’s small consolation to the abused man who gets mocked by a goddamn DV hotline.
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A) abusive != homicidal
B) This point is really reductive. Do you really think it’s as simple as that?
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I’m addressing a reductive point that ‘there are no men-only domestic abuse shelters in my community’.
Do you imagine anyone who puts forward that sort of ‘argument’ is ready for anything the least bit nuanced?
As for people who are violent toward their domestic partners, they might not be consciously trying to actually kill them outright, but all the torture and beatings and shoving down the stairs sometimes results in the ‘accidental’ deaths of their victims.
It’s really tough sometimes to figure out where savagely beating someone was ‘only’ intended to cripple and maim.
In my opinion it does betray a depraved indifference to human life.