Sure you don’t want to change your name to Sevastopol88?
How large of an explosive charge do you need to kill somebody like this? I recall the guy that the Israelis killed by putting a bomb in his cellphone…that was a neat job!
Seems to me that a device of this type could be put in a car very easily…perhaps if you are a terrorist, you won’t want to accept a free oil change offer!
Now comes the question: Hamas is known for retaliation…what sort of atrocity do you think they will respond with? :eek:
I know what I would do! Order a pizza with everything . . . no, make that two pizzas with everything! . . . delivered to Ariel Sharon’s house at three in the morning! That’ll show 'em! 
For one thing, because it is impossible. Targetted assassinations of Hamas leaders will only bring Hamas more recruits – and they’ve already figured out (see the Wikipedia article) that they can keep their leaders safer by keeping their identities secret.
Withdrawal of Israel from the Territories might not change Hamas’ agenda, but it would, eventually, render Hamas politically impotent within Palestine. Most Palestinians would be satisfied with independence and want to get on with building something like a normal life, and would have no time, any more, for all that insane radical crap.
And the fact that hamas’s leafders are now kept secret has severely hurt their operational capabilities. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if recruitment is down lately, due to the lack of charismatic leaders. People claim to follow martyrs, but that’s not really true; what they actualy do is follow winners. So long as Hamas was succeeding in hurting Israeli targets it could count on recruits hopping on the bandwagon, Now that it’s on the defensive and not showing any real results, it’s much less attractive.
Face it: lots of underground movements and secret socirties throughou history have been destroyed. Occasionally it was done by removing their cause of action; most often, it was by killing the leaders.
That’s a very optomistic prediction. How sure are you it would hapen that way? Organizations like Hamas tend to be self perpetuating, constantly causing more conflict in order to survive. As long as Israel continues to exist in any form many Palestinians will feel they have a grievences against it, and will vent them via people like Hamas.
He’s trying to withdraw from Gaza and dismantle the settlements there. How is that even remotely genocidal?
You mean the same ethnic/cultural/whatever group that has produced the Hebron Massacre of 1929, the “Arab Revolt” (mostly against Jewish civilians) of 1936-1939, the Fedayyin of the 1950’s, the PLO in 1964… and all this before the 1967 war? I ain’t putting my own neck out on that happening… they’ll have to show that they have really changed their agenda before I am willing to barter all my material assets for a promise of “everlasting peace.”
Dani
Alessan said:
He’s saying that if you want to exterminate all the Jews, you’d have to do a lot of killing in New York as well, because it’s full of Jews. And he thinks that maybe that would be a good thing. Because it’s not just Israel’s policies he hates, it’s the Jews, no matter where they are.
At least, that’s what I get from it.
What “material assets” would you be “bartering”? Do you own property in the Territories?
I cannot tell you how much I hate those fucking Nazis. Bring one into a conversation or thread of any sort and I am out of there, no matter what.
I tell you it is a source of wonderment to me about a place like this that there is no goddam middle. From the land of the free, no one seems able to speak freely about fairly obvious public deceptions in the Is/US relationship that are carried on daily. Often I wonder about this. Is it a politeness thing? Is there a culture there of always portraying Jewish people in a sympathetic light? Who knows.
No one that is, except racist extremists, so try a little emperor-has-no-clothes speech and watch. Polite company goes all quiet and shuts down. And the normal muscular antagonists are curled up in the den.
Why on earth there is a list of forbidden topics beats me.
Anyway…
There are several people more
erudite than I on the subject
It’s a major story. Yet what did you hear of it in the US press? Israeli apologists by and large.
Oh what brave world we live in.
Care to speak more clearly? That preceding post isn’t very coherent at all, full as it is of metaphors and codespeak of some sort.
Sevastopol88, people are allowed to speak freely about whatever they desire: this IS the land of the free. Nobody is stopping you from saying whatever you want about those damn barbaric Jews and how they oppress the peace-loving, civilized Arabs in the Middle East. If polite company doesn’t want to have anything to do with you, it’s because they generally don’t like to talk to someone who advocates genocide.
Remember that post a while back about setting off nukes in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem? I do. Your ideology is clear; nobody is limiting your freedom of speech. I’d wager that there are hundreds preaching your message all over this country (plenty of them are at college campuses, by the way.) Nobody’s arresting them.
Compare that to the fine nations of your Arab friends where people are tortured and killed for voicing dissent. Now tell me who lives in the land of the free and who doesn’t.
Not bad Sam, Half right. Still some work to do on your reading comprehension. Strike -
"And he thinks that maybe that would be a good thing. Because it’s not just Israel’s policies he hates, it’s the Jews, no matter where they are."
- from your exegesis and you’re home.
Hey, you’re the one who took the discussion from Israel’s policies to killing Jews in New York.
Actually it was Alessan.
I think people who live in glass houses shouldn’t be calling the kettle black, dude. Here’s you from post #53, this thread, talking about Palestinians:
“Ethnic cleansing? YES, for God’s sake. Just get it over with and stick them in Jordan and Egypt where they came from in the first place.”
Excuse me? At what point did I mention New York? At what point did I mention anri-semitism? Your skating very close to libel here, my faux-Slavic friend.
Inidentally, do you consider the Holocause genocide? Just a question of semantics. After all, Hitler didn’t kill any Jews in New York.
How is this not a totally flippant and nonsensical response to sevastopol’s question? How could Damascus be razed without targeting civilians? And to kill millions of people to avenge the death of Ariel Sharon? That is a truly SICK idea. When did you become such a monster? I expected better of you in the past but you have apparently caught that disease common in Israel today, that the only good Arab is a dead Arab, and you are now promoting mass killings. Great. Vast crimes against humanity, all to support your political beliefs. I’m truly shocked.
Are you whooshing me?
I was not advocating the destruction of Damascus. I was just saying that killing a head of state would lead to full-scale war, which Israel would probably win. Have I at any point in this thread - on this BOARD - express racist or genocidal attitudes towards Arabs?
“I” refered to “If I were representing Israel” - not me personally. And by “assets” I don’t mean that “I” (Israel) owns them, but rather that Israel is holding on to the territories as bargaining chips - and will not (or, at least IMHO should not) bargain them for mere “promises” of some kind of cease-fire (which falls far short of a peace treaty) but only for a full-fledged recognition of Israel’s right to existence, as part of an agreement that includes verifiable steps along the way as well as fall-back clauses for cases of non-compliance by the Palestinian side.
Sorry to say, but this is a stance borne of seeing the Palestinains shoot themselves (and us in the process) in the foot time and time again in terms of reliability.
Not that I am claiming that Israel is always 100% reliable - but I still think I can say Israel has a much better track-record on the issue of sticking to agreements, and to non-civilian targets, than the Palestinans do!
Short and simple, right now I don’t trust the word of any Palestinain leader further than I can throw him. Give me a way of achieving a real, verifiable peace agreement with the Palestinian leaders and whoever may succeed them by whatever means, and I agree that Israel should then - but only then! - quit the occupied territories, effectively allowing the Palestinians to create a state there.
But right now I’m too damned scared of what will happen the day after to be happy with the prospect.
Dani