Citing the same source twice must make it twice as true. And repeating something three times constitutes irrefutable proof. Lewis Carroll, famed logician, said so.
A well-known science fiction writer used this as a plot device in one of his novels. But I forget now whether it was Robert Heinlein in The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress or if it was John Brunner in Stand on Zanzibar.
I once saw a video in slow mo ,specially lit, of a man urinating standing up and the “splash up” from the surface of the bowl was all over the place, un-observable to the naked eye and regardless of foreskins etc. After seeing this I always sit unless at a urinal. I have tried to find the video in question but cannot find it. If anyone can find it and post a link I think it settles the argument.
You women take significantly longer to use restrooms, and you inconvenience other women when doing so. That’s your “business,” so to speak, and doesn’t affect me, except in private residences. If the feminists can be believed, and I’m not sure they can, significant harms result from long bathroom wait times:
I’m with you, Sister! Who cares about convenience for anyone, whether they’re unnecessarily undressing to urinate or waiting in line for others to unnecessarily undress. I just wish someone would tell the feminists to quit their yammering and wait for me to re-tie my tie.
Yay, I get to post this!
So two guys are standing at the urinal.
First guy: Uh…excuse me…don’t mean to bother you…
Second guy: Yeah, wuddyawant? [note to the unaware: small talk with strangers while peeing at a urinal is extraordinarily unusual.]
FG: Hey, it’s alright…I don’t mean to bother, but are you from LA?
SG: (Interested) Yeah, that’s right. Howd’ya know?
FG: Well, my friend Squinty Cohen’s a mohel in Beverly Hills and you’re peeing on my foot.
[insert locales as needed. Works with only two; I heard it in canonic form, with Minsk and Pinsk.]
There is a recent decision by a German Amtsgericht (court of first instance) that may illustrate changing manners.
The case was: landlord refuses to return renter’s deposit in full, citing etching to marble bathroom floor by urine. Renter sued landlord for return of deposit.
The court found for the renter:
considered proven by evidence that damage was in fact caused by urinating standing up
but renter not found liable as landlord did not warn him of the risk and urinating standing up still considered acceptable by many.
[QUOTE=AG Düsseldorf · Urteil vom 20. Januar 2015 · Az. 42 C 10583/14]
Trotz der in diesem Zusammenhang zunehmenden Domestizierung des Mannes ist das Urinieren im Stehen durchaus noch weit verbreitet. Jemand, der diesen früher herrschenden Brauch noch ausübt, muss zwar regelmäßig mit bisweilen erheblichen Auseinandersetzungen mit - insbesondere weiblichen - Mitbewohnern, nicht aber mit einer Verätzung des im Badezimmer oder Gäste-WC verlegten Marmorbodens rechnen.
my translation:
In spite of the increasing domestication of men in this respect, urinating standing up is still widespread. Someone who still maintains this formerly obtaining custom will have to expect serious quarrels with flatmates (esp. female ones) but cannot be expected to know about marble floors being etched.
I suppose “where” wasn’t right - whether he should sit or stand and if he’s supposed to retract or not. We don’t know how to instruct an uncircumcised child. (Right now it is not an issue, as he’s still very much in diapers.)
An issue unaddressed so far in the comments : when I pee while #2ing, I’ve noticed that my bladder does not get completely empty. Standing, I can void every remaining drop. Does anyone else notice this? I feel uncomfortable not quite having an empty bladder post restroom, it would be like going to a gas station and not filling the tank up all the way.
My ex* was intact and sat to pee most of the time at home, as does my son and the toilets were reasonable. My partner is circumcised, stands and the toilet he uses is so awful I can’t even stand to use it or clean it. He and my son use the same toilet so he claims my son is equally responsible (his teenage sons were nasty) but I know my son isn’t.
I doubt the potential German flatmates were hovering to listen- urinating into an echo chamber is loud and they probably don’t want to hear it. It can awaken people from light stages of sleep toward morning or be disgusting to people with certain types of misophonia. It’s pretty weird some posters were indignant about the idea someone would ask another person to not pollute their shared living space by spitting on the floor, smoking inside, leaving dirty clothes laying around, letting food rot, or in this case, urinating in a way they find unpleasant.
Women protest a lot of things and declare they won’t clean toilets but I guarantee there are men who let them become intolerable. My partner and I did a move-out clean of his house after his ex had been in it a year and never cleaned around toilets males used. Turns out urine can build up to the point where it needs to be soaked to break down. Who would want to be anywhere near a toilet like that, let alone use it?
So men- sit to pee if you’re in a home. Have a little respect for your investment, your hosts, parents, girlfriend, boyfriend, whomever. Sheesh. Why on earth do you want to make life harder for the people who have to clean?