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If someone is too obese to do the job then they are not the best candidate. You could even be endangering them by hiring them to do a job they are not fit for.
I’m judging her more for her use of the phrases “body politic think tank” and “platonic life partner.”
I’ve never been overweight, but the idea that anyone “should” be judged for their size is disgusting. Maybe not everyone is “beautiful” by society’s standards, but so what? How someone looks and what they weigh is their own business. I’d normally be put off by someone going about proclaiming themselves to be beautiful, but with so many people insisting that they should be ashamed of their bodies, maybe this makes sense.
The thing is, it’s a very good indicator of poor health, especially when you consider some other key factors. You are right, in that you can have visible fat and still be in good health, but I’ve mainly seen that in select examples, often related to professional athletes of some sort.
In order to be healthy and still maintain fat, it would take a very unique diet and exercise routine, of which most casual people do not commit to. I think it’s enough of an exception that it should get a pass for how much attention it gets in a casual discussion.
That said, and in answer to the thread topic, I don’t think there is anything to be gained by judging people or publicly shaming. If someone chooses to be obese, that’s their call.
“I am indeed desirous, powerful, beautiful and capable of stepping into brilliance, completely rooted in love and possibility!” – She didn’t need to strip in a public place to arrive at this conclusion, as it comes across as having an agenda. However, it’s good that she discovered herself.
I am of the opinion that most obese people do not consciously choose to be obese. Most don’t say to themselves, “I want to be fat.” But at the same time, it is their own fault they’re obese. So while I believe most do not consciously choose to be obese, they do consciously choose to not fix the problem.
Because I believe an obese person consciously chooses to NOT reduce their weight to a healthy level, I have no problem judging them. IMO, obesity is an indication of laziness, weakness, and a lack of self-control, which are traits I have contempt for.
You do realize, though, that it’s difficult? And that it’s more difficult for some people than for others, due partly to circumstances beyond their control?
When I look at an obese person, a skinny person, and myself, I don’t know how much of the differences I see are due to different levels of self-control and how much are due to genetics, or to deeper physical or psychological issues that go beyond mere laziness. So any feelings of moral superiority (or inferiority) on my part may not be warranted.
The thing about being fat is that it’s a visual indicator of how someone takes care of themselves.
If I see a house that is in poor condition, with singles falling off the roof, an overgrown lawn, and a busted car on cinderblocks, I’m going to assume the owner doesn’t put effort in taking care of their house, and figure the inside would be just as messy. Why should it be so taboo to make the same value judgements for a fat person?
I don’t dwell at all beyond “That person values food over fitness” which is not much different from how I presume gym rats and pageant queens to value appearance above substance. Everyone has different priorities, most of which are none of my affair. Were she to confront me on the train I’d be more likely to shrug than to give her the active feedback she’s apparently craving.
I do find her platform flimsy, though. If beauty is so damned important to her, why doesn’t she try a bit harder to be beautiful? Or, if she feels unfairly judged by her appearance, why try so hard to call attention to herself? Even without the personal graffiti and nudity, the loud glasses, bright shoes, and huge earrings scream look at me. She craves attention but wants to direct the reactions of others? That’s plenty disingenuous and I don’t quite get what she was hoping to accomplish.
You have no idea. Really. Where are you getting your information?
How do you know obese people as a rule are not healthy? Do you interview them? Unless you’re a medical professional, that’s the only way you could possibly know. When I was 75 pounds overweight, my blood work, blood pressure etc. were absolutely perfect, and would’ve been the envy of skinny people with health issues. I’m not saying all obese people are like I was, clearly they’re not, but don’t throw everyone in the same category.
As for maintaining weight, there’s nothing unique about it. It takes around 2,300 calories a day for an obese woman around a hundred pounds overweight to maintain her weight. That’s only a little more than an average woman would eat. Exercise doesn’t burn fat, reducing calories does. So if she’s exercising and still eating 2,200 to 2,300 calories per day, she won’t lose weight.
Missed the edit window. Here’s a link on being metabolically healthy:
http://211.144.68.84:9998/91keshi/Public/File/36/372-9646/pdf/1-s2.0-S0140673608615317-main.pdf
Her message is lost on me. Apparently it’s oh, so wrong for anyone to not love her just the way she is but it’s perfectly OK for her to judge everyone around her as mean spiritied and hateful unless they fully understand and accept whatever the heck it is she’s trying to say. The man in the picture who seems to not want to look at her up close didn’t make her fat. She doesn’t mind looking for ways to blame him.
Not beautiful.
Is she a professional sumo wrestler? No? Then get out of my way, fatty!
Okay okay, a bit of hyperbole there.
I just read the article and think she’s pretty cool although hugely (pun intended) unattractive. It’s the fat people who gorge on fast food and don’t leave their houses that sicken me. They must be mentally ill to be like that.
I live my information and work with people who do, professionally.
You’re projecting, here. Reread what I’ve stated, and you’ll see that I didn’t express that it was a rule– I went so far as to say the original claim was accurate, and gave an example of where I saw it in practice. Your own link reinforces what I’ve written, which states that 70% of obese people are not metabolically healthy, and among the 30% that were found to be, there are still other risks. Please don’t angle my response to serve a point you’re trying to make, because I didn’t disagree with the person I quoted.
You’re searching for an argument where there isn’t one. I specifically didn’t mention “maintain weight”, because there are a host of ways to do so, which don’t involve fat. I said maintain fat and remain healthy, and in the interest of clarification, I was specifically talking about a person who wanted to become or remain obese, by choice, as per the topic (which to me, implied some amount of effort). The idea is to consume more calories than you burn via activity, and also the type of calories, which becomes an involved process. It’s abnormal to see a casual person go this route, hence why I made the claim that I tend to see more specialized individuals pursue it.
Ultimately, there are a ton of variables, so nothing here should be taken as absolute. Achieving any dedicated shift in health, aside from your bodies normal state of homeostasis, can get as involved as you want to make it.
It’s not always BS when people say they are happy being fat.
I was slim all through my 20s and most of my 30s. I was handsome enough, that it was never a problem getting dates back in those days. To be perfectly frank, being able to attract women was my only reason for staying slim and fit.
So, in my view, I’ve already “been there and done that” with regards to being fit. Which is why, at 43, I don’t care that I’m about 30lbs over weight. I figure after 40, you’ve earned the right to be a little pudgy.
My days of boinking hot 20-somethings have long since passed. Might as well eat.
You don’t get to tell ME what I consider beautiful.
This chick’s ugly, and by ugly, I mean the sight of her repels me.
You “feel” beautiful, great. People with anorexia “feel” fat. They’re not.
If you see someone binging on food day after day, and explicitly avoiding exercise day after day, and wasting away to fatness then you go ahead and judge the fuck out of them.
If there is someone you know and love and their weight is hurting your relationship, or hurting their lives, and they really avoid helping themselves and it makes you mad because you love them, then judge the fuck out of them.
If you see a person in passing in public, or on the Internet, who is overweight, and you have no idea how they have been living their lives or how their weight affects their lives or the lives of their loved ones, then just get over it. Worry about yourself instead.
I don’t see what’s the point of judging them, to be honest. If they are minding their own business and not hurting me with their actions, then I’m not going to judge them.
I’ll wait for them to do something annoying, like whining about how there are too many skinny bitches in the world or if they try to give me nutritional advice. But being an imperfect person isn’t sufficient to earn my scowling judgment. Lord knows I’m imperfect too.
Overeating fat people are no different from any anyone else. It’s just that you can look at them and know what their vice is. We all have something that we do that we shouldn’t do, but we do it anyway and don’t have any intention to stop. I don’t want someone sizing me up and presuming to know what my problems are. So why would I do the same to someone else? It serves no purpose and is just a waste of valuable energy.
Well, people feel the need to judge others. So what I am saying is that if you are judgemental of the idea of chronic over-eating and chronic laziness, and you are witness to it, then you don’t need to stop yourself from passing the judgement. You’re allowed to have an opinion on what you actually see.
But if you see someone who’s fat, and you immediately assume that they are both chronic over-eaters and chronically lazy, and you assign all of these other likely false traits to them, and you judge them as whatever you have just made up in your head, then I am just not down with that.
The problem I see with this point is that the conscious choice you are describing must be made repeatedly. Day after day, month after month, year after year. If for any reason, for a short time period, you make a different choice, it can ruin everything.
So I don’t judge fat people in the sense of condemning them. Especially if they are making efforts to control their eating and lifestyle. So if a fat person says “Look, I’ve tried dieting many times and I’m pretty confident that if I try to get thin, my diet will fail again so instead I will resign myself to being fat, try to exercise regularly and eat a balanced diet without a lot of junk food,” I think it’s a reasonable position which should be respected not condemned.
On the other hand, I do condemn fat activists who spread misinformation or who take unreasonable positions. For example those who deny that being fat is unhealthy; or those who claim that fat people eat the same as thin people; or those who imply that there is something wrong with a man who finds fat girls sexually unappealing or unsuitable as mates; or those who claim you can’t tell anything about a person’s eating habits just by looking at them; or those who interpret every glance at them as a glare of disapproval; etc.
And of course I condemn fat people who hold themselves out as being experts on how to succeed in dieting and weight loss.