So, if there’s a line of books called “[anything] for Dummies”, then “Dummy” isn’t an insult? see also, “Complete Idiot.”
Does this mean I can say ‘nigger’ now?
Because that’s bullshit.
btw, the “Jewish Princess Cookbook” defines a “Jewish Princess” as: Ideal for women who enjoys life but not cooking but still want to nurture their families. That is NOT the definition of a “JAP”.
By that definition, I’m a Jewish Princess…except I kind of reject that idea that any woman who can’t cook is a ‘princess’ or ‘has a sense of entitlement’, because apparently all hardworking women, well, cook. Whatever.
If you took a poll of Jewish women and let’s say 83 per cent said the term was offensive, would you still think it wasn’t a slur?
Curious.
That would be overprotective mothers, or moms who have a ‘mama’s boy’ relationship with their sons.
If you’re not Jewish, you’re just a ‘helicopter parent’ or a hippie or something that’s not authoritarian.
In Israel and elsewhere, that stereotype is one of the Eastern European mother.
This must be some sort of Americanism offenderati thing, because in the UK the term Jap does not have those offensive overtones, just means someone from Japan and nothing more.
JAP is just an acronym. But I just saw that the authors of the cookbook are BRITISH.
And linking that to being Jewish is the slur. It’s offensive to paint that as a Jewish attitude.
I never understood how a Jewish man could be OK with that stereotype while complaining that everyone thinks his dick is small.
What happens when a Jewish man with an erection walks into a brick wall?
He breaks his nose.
Citizen Pained:
I think the stereotype applies to both parents, when the child is a girl.
What about “white trash?”
I guess it could be considered offensive because there is the implication that white people should know/do better. But I don’t think the white part is actually intended to insult white people as a whole.
I think jewish people threw the jewish and american part in front of the princess (which every culture has) mostly because it just sounded better and catchier with some extra words thrown in and it also allowed the catch word JAP to be created.
Not all slang is created after years of in depth sociological research and devious planning intending to carry deep, dark, and hidden meanings.
I don’t see how that’s an especially American thing. “Paki” is non-offensive in the US to about the same extent that “Jap” for someone from Japan is non-offensive in Britain.
In a Jewish context, it seems like it could be mildly self-deprecating, but more offensive if used of someone else. Calling someone a stereotype is worse than claiming it for yourself.
Although I never hear it except in reference to the Japanese (and it’s highly offensive in that context). I found it darkly amusing that another term mentioned in that thread was JIP, which can also be heard as an offensive term (‘gyp’). Perhaps there should be some more work done along those lines. (Jewish Israeli Girl After Buying Old Onions?).
I think it generally is a slur, but that some are adopting it and making of it their own.
Well yeah, but it is referenced in this (very American) article as part of a larger trend.
I have never used the term JAP used except as an insult or criticism. Using it seems to imply, to me, that a majority of Jewish women have the unpleasant characteristics associated with it. So, yes, it’s offensive unless a Jewish woman is using it to mock herself.
Yes, Malthus, I read the article in its entirety. It was saying what you just said. But it also stated that not all women find it funny- and for good reason.
Yes.
I can understand that, sure.
The point here is that the authors aren’t totally joking about it either - they seem to really be saying ‘yup, we are real-life Jewish princesses. And we like it’.
That’s what I mean when I say that yes, it is generally a slur, but that some embrace it as a lifestyle choice-thing.
This would be difficult if the term was really harshly perjorative or anti-semitic.
I don’t know why you keep saying this. Some women and men embrace “slut” – it is still pejorative and an insult most of the time. Some black people embrace “nigger” – it’s still pejorative and an extremely offensive insult. “Complete Idiot” is the title of an entire line of books – it’s still pejorative and an insult.
The fact that a couple of annoying british women want to claim Jewish-Princessism for their own, does not make JAP not pejorative or not an ethnically-based insult.
Fine with me. I would like to have the terms white trash, hillbilly and redneck declared offensive and off limits, as well. Fair’s fair.
ETA: Oh, yeah, and cracker.
As I said - to quote myself, if fact in the bit you have quoted - “yes, it is generally a slur”. Where did I say the opposite?
I do not agree, for the reasons stated, that it is an “ethnically-based insult”.
I was challenged to provide an example of someone who found something positive in it - as a matter of fact, by you:
Except you didn’t. You found someone who is trying to claim it for a new meaning. Who acknowledged that everything implied by the term “JAP” is negative.
And in any event, I was not challenging you to " to provide an example of someone who found something positive in it. " I was asking was part of the “JAP” steortype was positive. As clearly demonstrated by your example, there is no positive aspect to the term “JAP.”