Is lekatt a troll, or is he just that stupid?

[Sophistry_and_Illusion]

**lekatt ** is the fucking scourge of Great Debates. He is the fucking stupidest, most dogmatic, and simultaneously most arrogant poster on this whole board. If he’s not posting stupid bullshit like this:

@lekatt

No, I am not creative enough to make it up, I learned it from contacts with spirit.

Now, there are “books” that contain this information. Notice I use the word “contain.”

“Seth Speaks, the Eternal Validity of the Soul”
“The Nature of Personal Reality”
“The Unknown Reality”
are books written by Jane Roberts and contain most of the information I have presented here. Actually they are channelled books from Seth.

Or possibly even stupider stuff like this:

@lekatt

Granted the fear of a painful death is great among most of us. But it rarely happens. Say you are scheduled to burn at the stake for heresy. You are tied up to the stake with wood and coal oil everywhere, now when the pile is touched off it is doubtful you will feel anything. Your spirit will exit your body and you can watch the whole thing taking place from a distance. When your spirit knows your life is over it exits from your body immediately. This is common in near death experiences.

then he is posting smug, arrogant, and consescending bullshit about how the rest of us who don’t buy into his mindless drivel just aren’t interested in the truth, like this:

@lekatt

I was assured you would not find it plausible. Mainly because it was not the answer you were looking for, the answer you were looking for is validation of your beliefs. Most people feel they have the truth and are really not looking for any other opinions, but they will listen with a mind full of their own thoughts out of courtesy. It is OK. No bad feelings.

He never answers any direct question. Mostly, I think, this is because he doesn’t know what the fuck he is talking about. In this thread, **lekatt ** posts the usual ignorant shit about evolution not really being well-established. I figured, since he knew so much about evolution and biology–enough to make a judgment about its scientific merits–he would surely be able to give a creationist explanation for some facts that are taken to support evolution. I posted this challenge to lekatt:

@me

I issued a challenge to you in an earlier post. Evolution is based on mountains of evidence. I asked you to explain just a small portion of this evidence–say, the fact that some whales are born with legs and feet, or the fact that humans share endogenous retroviruses with other species that evolution says are closely related to us–in a creationist way. Are you capable of doing that? If so, then do so. If not, then quit dismissing evolution, because you obviously are not knowledgeable enough to have an informed opinion about it.

Show us the goods, lekatt. Explain those pieces of evidence. Come on; we’re waiting.

Of course, **lekatt ** never answered, but he also never conceded that he was wrong. And yet, nothing suggested that any of this evidence entered the rotting piece of meat that **lekatt ** calls his brain (oh, wait, I forgot brains aren’t responsible for consciousness, according to dumbfuck)–his whatever, because **lekatt ** is constitutionally incapable of processing any bit of information that doesn’t fit in with his slack-jawed, makes Shirley McLaine laugh at you for being a knuckle-dragging idiot, airy-fairy, pseudo-New Age bullshit view of the world. What a fucking maggot crawling in the ass of the SDMB.

Fuck off lekatt. Nobody wants you. Nobody defends you–atheist, liberal Christian, conservative Christian. Nobody. Because you are an arrogant piece of shit, you assume that is because we are all pig-headed and afraid of the truth, and you are the only one who is right. In fact, it’s because you are a stupid, mush-brained piece of shit who ruins any GD thread he enters. Do us all a favor and FUCK OFF.

[Guinastasia]

Sadly, I doubt he’ll answer-I don’t believe lekatt “does the Pit”.

[Bryan_Ekers]

@Guinastasia

Sadly, I doubt he’ll answer-I don’t believe lekatt “does the Pit”.

There’s just not enough love around here.
I mean, the whole universe is made of sub-sub-atomic self-aware particles motivated by love… just not in here.

[SiXSwordS]

I’m not sure I have the background to back this up, but I don’t think he is a troll. I’ll leave the conclusions up to you.

[Syntropy]

@Sophistry and Illusion

**lekatt ** is the fucking scourge of Great Debates. He is the fucking stupidest, most dogmatic, and simultaneously most arrogant poster on this whole board.

lekatt’s a he? Color me educated.

Dude? He said the universe is held together with love, and that love is God, and God just doesn’t care what happens to us while we’re alive. Why do you keep responding?

[the_PC_apeman]

lekatt seems to sincerely believe his endless spewage of inconsistent platitudes. So I’d vote ‘just that stupid’.

[Guinastasia]

@Bryan Ekers

There’s just not enough love around here.
I mean, the whole universe is made of sub-sub-atomic self-aware particles motivated by love… just not in here.

So lekatt is Lennon/McCartney?

All you need is love…

[Omegaman]

I think he should stick around. There’s room for everybody.

[Jodi]

@lekatt

Granted the fear of a painful death is great among most of us. But it rarely happens. Say you are scheduled to burn at the stake for heresy. You are tied up to the stake with wood and coal oil everywhere, now when the pile is touched off it is doubtful you will feel anything. Your spirit will exit your body and you can watch the whole thing taking place from a distance. When your spirit knows your life is over it exits from your body immediately. This is common in near death experiences.

It’s a lovely thought. But by coincidence I happen to be reading a book about the reigh of England’s Queen Mary I (Bloody Mary), and the burning of heretics (if you were Catholic), also known as martyrs (if you were Protestant). The first one, before they’d really gotten the whole “burning people at the stake” down to a science, they piled green (undried) wood around the guy on a rainy day, and he suffered so much he screamed for the crowd to pile the wood higher about him, to hasten his death. When two bishops, Ridley and Latimer, were burned together for their Protestant beliefs, Latimer famously said, “Be of good comfort, Master Ridley, and play the man; we shall this day light such a candle, by God’s grace, in England, as I trust shall never be put out!” Latimer died quickly from smoke inhalation but Ridley suffered such agonies that even his executioners were sickened. As the burnings continued, the families of the condemned would bribe the executioners to hang bags of gunpowder around the neck of the person at the stake, in the hopes his or her head would be blown off before the full suffering of being burned to death could be experienced. So I think we can safely say the shiny hope of no pain at the stake is complete BS.

It doesn’t seem to me to be unreasonable to expect him to defend what he says, just like everyone else in Great Debates. Seems like a lot of it, like the above, is demonstrably false.

[Captain_Amazing]

@Jodi

The first one, before they’d really gotten the whole “burning people at the stake” down to a science, they piled green (undried) wood around the guy on a rainy day, and he suffered so much he screamed for the crowd to pile the wood higher about him, to hasten his death.

(bolding mine) I don’t think it’s because they were bad at it. I think they used the green wood for the bolded reason.

But, as to your more general point, yeah, being burned at the stake hurts, and lekatt’s views tend not to be supported by evidence.

[Orual]

@Jodi

It doesn’t seem to me to be unreasonable to expect him to defend what he says, just like everyone else in Great Debates. Seems like a lot of it, like the above, is demonstrably false.

I’m just surprised anyone bothers reading his posts anymore. He hasn’t had anything new to say for years.

[Left_Hand_of_Dorkness]

Don’t polls go in IMHO?

Put me down for “just that stupid.”

Daniel

[Left_Hand_of_Dorkness]

Huh. It occurs to me that:

1. People may be whooshed, and
2. Saying “put me down for just that stupid” is just asking for trouble, and
3. A big glass of wine after a hard day at work sure hits the spot.

Daniel

[Jackmannii]

@Captain Amazing

yeah, being burned at the stake hurts, and lekatt’s views tend not to be supported by evidence.

Easily remedied.

We can solicit volunteers for a clinical trial* evaluating spirit liberation achieved through various punishments - being burned at the stake, broken on the wheel or required to engage lekatt in a prolonged debate.
*I suspect the “double-blind” aspect of this experiment will be a challenge to implement. Especially the part about debating lekatt. Participants are always going to know they are debating lekatt. No placebo poster can simulate the real thing.

[Q.E.D]

Those two things are not (particularly in this case) mutually exclusive.

[Qadgop_the_Mercotan]

Despite all Lekatt’s annoying quirks, I admit I enjoyed his participation in a recent thread where kanicbird ended up stating that Lekatt spewed “lies from the pit of hell” and that kanicbird rebuked and came “against that enemy and spirit of the antichrist that dwells within” lekatt.

That’s the closest I’ve ever been to a real exorcism attempt!

[Mangetout]

I don’t think he’s actually either. His pattern of reaction in debates is quite distinctive and consistent. Build up an argument until the chorus of disagreement becomes too loud, then play the martyr card, avoiding the necessity of answering any questions - then flounce out of the thread, promising never to return (often more than once per thread)

I think this is neither stupidity or trolling - I think there’s some sort of pathology driving it.

[kaylasdad99]

Maybe lekatt is stupid and Seth is a troll.

[Sampiro]

@Jodi

It’s a lovely thought. But by coincidence I happen to be reading a book about the reigh of England’s Queen Mary I (Bloody Mary), and the burning of heretics etc. etc…

Continuing (or starting) a hijack, let us not forget this lady also burned by Mary, Ms. Perotine Massey and her mother, sister, and newborn, a rather fiery “madonna and child” scene that, as I’ve mentioned before, I suspect led to the invention of an American fun snack centuries later.

[cmyk]

From what I’ve seen from lekatt and his postings around here, he seems to have suffered, or gone through, some life altering event, and distorting his philosophy on the afterlife so much so, that he seems to be building some crazy Jenga tower of delusions to try and shadow the fear he has of death, and the transition leading up to it.

I could be way off base, but that’s just what I’ve come to assume. Anyone else, in the real world, that was spewing forth such easily dismissed BS as lekatt, I would think the same thing, or that they might need their meds adjusted.

Why he hangs around here, I’m not sure. What’s sad is that every time we pull another block from his Tower of Ignorance, he seems to smugly suggest we’re not open enough to see the “truth”, or he’ll beat around the bush until he goes away entirely.

It is the business of a closed mind to accuse others of the same.