It’s like folks with peanut allergies. It’s no laughing matter, especially if they have an acute sensitivity to it. But anyone stating that peanuts are a ‘nerotixin’ because some folks are acutely allergic is basically talking out of their ass. To me this all smacks of an almost anti-vax type flavor, though that might just be me.
-XT
We are talking biology here not preference; so people deciding not to eat meat or being unable to acquire it makes them no less omnivores. And as pointed out earlier, while we can survive without meat it’s harder than surviving with meat; it’s easy to become malnourished.
gluten intolerance is not an allergy, as it was conveyed 2 me…but 2 complic8 matters u can also have allergy 2 wheat, on top of or separate from the intolerance…& not everything registers on tests, 2 properly rule out..
If people r this up in arms regarding this info, i probably ought not mention what i was just told about genomes in veggies remaining active after we eat them; supposedly can create interference with cholesterol clearing protein…that was in a discover magazine @ relative’s dr appt, recently; a biochemist in china discovered it (the microRNAs, not the magazine). i only was ever told about nightshade veggies…nevermind.
& peanuts can contain i think its called an aflotoxin…or aflatoxin…a toxic mold.
This is how it was explained 2 me; it is the way our environment interacts with our genes…depending on internal, external environ certain things express, or do not…this was according 2 th publisher of that compilation.
anyhow here is a link referrencing the other, article i mentioned, i found a link (i apologize/ please dont critique my referrencing style, i dont kno how officially 2 do it):
Food We Eat Might Control Our Genes | Scientific American
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My argument was never that man lacks the capacity to eat meat, that’d be absurd. It was always that the capacity doesn’t really entail much.
We have more than just the capacity; even deer will eat meat if they can*. We have the ability and the desire, and it’s easier to stay healthy if we do. Therefore, omnivores.
*Such as small bits of meat pre-cut for them by humans, or small fish stranded on shore that they can slurp down like spaghetti; they really aren’t equipped to hunt or tear flesh.
This is a point of contention. Does the loss in energy through trophic levels in rearing an animal into meat compete with the difficulty in finding the correct variety of sustenance in a vegetarian diet?
That seems like a nonsequitur to me - or at least, a different debate.
& so i have heard, abandoned nests/ eggs of woodland creatures…if cannot find enough 2 forage, which is a serious issue with overpopulation of deer…the breed we have in our state, a family member informs me (not an official source of info, not official citation) was brought in 4 humans 2 hunt & soon overtook existing deer populous, plus with our encroaching on their territory & humans also having hunted/killed majority of their natural predators, puts them in a precarious spot, & us, if u consider traffic related accidents & fatalities involving deer…
their enzyme activity in their guts actually alters, depending upon what season /food availability exists, & enzyme defficiencies do occur in people, with certain nutrient deficiencies, for example…i was found 2 b vitamin A & zinc deficient…these nutrients r relied on 4 production of enzymes required 4 protein digestion, so now there is a concern about essential amino acid defficiency…& deficiencies can really only be adressed adequately when they become identified…& identifying them & determining what the cause, is (all contributors) can be a challenge. THAT is 1 reason I support promoting that book; the 1 mentioned in earlier posts…without the reccomendations of the author, id never have been tested & could not have adressed that…& if i hadnt, id b eating certain foods but, not digesting them properly…u c my point?
i made a referrence 2 nightshade plants/products…
i was reccomended 2 avoid these…the white potato is in this category, while morning glory family produces sweet potatoes; if u just view food as energy in/out or nutrients alone, no other considerations, only then is everything equal.
we have a household member whom has always had an upset stomach after eating certain melons, squash family veggies…i was skeptical & wondered about how something included in otc products for skin as a ‘soothing’ ingredient could create irritation as described…it turns out, the pollinization process for these foods, somehow ends up associating with ragweed/ is harmful for people with ragweed allergies.
I understand skepticism & that my lack of ability 2 convey things effectively can lead 2 a reflexive response 2 have everything automatically discounted, however my intentions r well & valid.
Do you avoid tomatoes and tomato products also? Or eggplant? They are in the nightshade familyas well.
Using the same thing different ways can have different effects. For example:
Lemon juice in your tummy = yummy
Lemon juice in your eye = pain.
Water on your skin = refreshing
Water in your lungs = soon to be dead
(BTW, have you found a good cite on gluten being a neurotoxin? I keep striking out and Mangetout doesn’t like to be kept waiting.)
If you start excluding foods on the basis that there’s a toxic relative, there’s almost nothing left to eat.
Carrots, parsnips, parsley, celery - same family as hemlock
Apples, pears, peaches, cherries, plums, strawberries, raspberries, almonds - same family as Cherry Laurel, which contains poisons including cyanide in most parts of the plant
Oranges (citrus in general) - same family as rue, which contains chemicals that cause severe skin blistering in sunlight
Peas, beans, lentils, alfalfa, peanuts - legume family, which contains many highly poisonous members.
And so on.
Why is anyone bothering to respond to gluten free anymore? Does anyone think that rational arguments are going to penetrate?
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Because this…THIS IS THE STRAIGHT DOPE! kicks gluten free down into the pit of doom!
(You ever seen the infamous FXM nuclear thread in the Pit? 'dopers will go on for page after page, even with someone who it’s obvious is never going to be rational)
-XT
Shouldn’t that be kicks gluten free down into the quarry!?
Well, the premises we hold in common are that individuals are capable of eating meat, but some choose not to.
Where we disagree seems to be if there are any reasons at all for choosing not to eat meat. The difficulty in abstaining from meat seems to be a counter-argument, which doesn’t strike me as substantiated.
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Shouldn’t that be kicks gluten free down into the quarry!?
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I did one quarry joke the other day and the silence was…ominous. I wasn’t going to cross THAT line again. :eek:
-XT
she’s a she, sweetheart…
Well, it’s a bit hard to tell gender based solely on your posts. Especially YOUR particular posts, since I normally associate that l33t sp33k-esque stuff with teen boys trying to be the bees knees, to mix time periods.
It would still be fun to see Leonidas (wearing a pair of thick black glasses with the bridge taped up, and perhaps a pocket protector…possibly with 'luci’s face) giving you the boot and telling you that this is the Straight Dope…
-XT
I can think of reasons, but have not entirely eliminated meat from own diet.
A couple that come 2 mind hav 2 do with the way animals r treated as an industry standard (debeaking, overcrowding & lack of sunlight/exercise & worse, 4 most chickens, all what amts 2 animal cruelty, as 1 example, but 4 the free range operations..) & animals being fed animals as feed…other reasons which i cannot currently recall, but has made me seriously question my contributing 2 these conditions, continued ingestion of meat…I was close 2 being a vegetarian 4 several yrs, yrs ago but 4 dairy (& bread, most of which contains egg…& gluten, aside); vegetarians & vegans must guard against vitamin & mineral deficits more so than omnivores (gluten issues aside).