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Does anyone feel this way? I got into an argument with someone who felt this way and couldn’t really back it up. What do you guys think. She is a very avid churchgoer and such, so if you respond, state your belief system.
I think you will find that the answers you get from this board will be an overwhelming no.
Masturbation is perfectly natural and there is nothing wrong with it in the least.
Oh and I hold no particular belief system.
No!
No. Atheist/agnostic.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yessssss.
YESSSSSSSSS!
AaaaaaaAAAAHHHH!
No.
– Joke post aside –
If you hold that the ability to create children is a holy gift, then you can make an argument that masturbating is spitting on that gift. (Similar to if someone gave you a car for Christmas and you went out, trashed it, and then sold it for scrap the day after.)
Of course, even in Christian teaching you could simply view it in light that God has better things to worry about or that He’s the one who made you have stronger urges than its feasible to work off in a procreative way (short of marrying at age 13 and having a baby a year until you’re 60.)
Personally I’m an atheist, so I find the whole issue to be similar to asking whether its immoral to not eat your boogers since God gave you those too.
It seems to be frowned on religiously, but rarely secularly. The days of medical “evidence” for its dangers–18th- and 19th-century ideas of weak nerves–are past. So I think that any “yes” answers you get will be based in religious proscriptions rather than general system of immorality. I’m curious to see if my prediction will turn out. If anyone disagrees, I’m interested to hear why!
She did pretty much say it was spitting on God’s gift. Plus i could almost swear she was a puritan or something. She sees genetic therapy as unneeded because God didn’t make us that way. I slammed my head into a wall.
Well, it does not aid procreation, and ends in an orgasm, which makes one forget most everything - including momentary loss of all religious conviction - so in the eyes of the Church it would be immoral.
However, I don’t believe in that organization, so I say “no”.
Define “moral”.
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Debating what some third party would think about something where you have no way to ask him and the reliability of the only record of his thought is suspect, is overall meaningless (so unless you are a bible literalist, you’re up a creek.) Just use your own judgement based on the big concepts if you are religious:
Ultimately, does God prefer you to do what he says, or to do what makes the world a better and happier place?
Another thing, do you think there is a big group of guys who don’t do it? In a church or something? Like the little statistic 97% of guys do it, and 3% are liars.
Would that be mass debating, or would you do it on your own?
Everyone knows you mass debate by yourself, unless you are a girl, then you get your Girlfrands together and have a mass debating party!
It’s moral, and no one’s business but yours. I’m not surprised that your friend is a churchgoer; Christianity tends to be hostile to all forms of happiness that don’t involve hurting people.
And I’m atheist, anti religious and antitheist. I don’t believe in God, I oppose all religion and I’d oppose God if I thought he existed.
Only in the eyes of those who see evil in every Human instinct.
I have no religion but my own.
There is a group like that here - they all get together in a church, just like you said, and not masturbate. There are like 30 of them, and they all just sit in a circle in the church and chant “we shall not masturbate” over and over again for 30 minutes.
Then they all suck each other off.
How do I know? I’m in the group. It’s the best thing that’s ever happened to me. Before, my palms were so hairy that I had to shave them every morning, and by the afternoon they were already thick with coarse, dark hair again.
The Bible states that you should not spill your seed, so that’s the whole church issue with it I suppose. But with me, if the context of seed meant “trees”, I would have a damn forest by now.
Maybe the gift from god is the ability to make yourself feel good without making a baby. Maybe we are supposed to masturbate because god made our arms long enough to reach.
Shoulda made our spines more flexible while He was at it. :mad:
Yes, but it only costs you 89 cents.