Jesus Marimba, Moto, what a lame ass cite. You are comparing hearsay to publicly recorded statements.
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It also surfaced yesterday that one of McCain’s principle Veep candidates, Gov. Bobby Jindal, participated in an exorcism that he wrote about in 1994 for New Oxford Review. According to Jindal, supernatural forces were pushing down on his chest while he prayed on behalf of a possessed woman named Susan. He says he was afraid her demon would leave her and possess him, so he chickened out and stopped praying. But the exorcism as a whole was a success, he said, and he believed that as an added bonus, the procedure cured her cancer.
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Either you’re with the exorcist, or you’re with the evil spirits.
Can’t we make an exception for the succubi?
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Not that I care about Williams, but the Franken joke had a much different context. Franken and some SNL writers were spitballing jokes for a 60 Minutes sketch. the intention was to lampoon Andy Rooney by having him make outrageous claims and Franken suggested a joke about Rooney claiming to have given roofies to Leslie Stahl. When you read the article, you can see it’s writers throwing things out there randomly and trying to work towards something useable for a sketch. Franken was saying something about how maybe Rooney claims he takes her in the closet and papes her, then changes it to “maybe he takes pictures of her,” then Norm Macdonald suggests that he should be raping one of the men on the show instead (funnier already) and on it goes. It wasn’t a good joke (and it wasn’t used on the show), but it was part of a barrage of things which were getting thrown out. It was part of a process of finding a joke, not the end result (and, as I said, the idea was that it would sound shocking and absurd coming from Andy Rooney, not that ha ha, rape is funny).
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Don’t you know that providing context and introducing inconvenient facts is living in a pre-9/11 world?
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But even given all these bad signs, McCain’s campaign is not without hope. MSNBC said that there are rumors that McCain supporters are in the process of launching an all out e-mail war on Michelle Obama, apparently hoping that they can bring down the Democrat by attacking his family.
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Er, these guys might want to read Cindy’s record and think long and hard about whether they really want to go there…
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Cite.
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Well, dayum! There really is a first time for everything. 
Sounds like people are in fact making a bit of a big deal of it up in Minnesota, where Franken’s running for Senate. And people are making a big deal of McCain’s association with Clayton Williams nationally, where McCain’s running for President.
So it looks like everything’s as it ought to be.
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(1) Will McCain’s attempt to hit on Hillary’s women ultimately fail?
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Yes, for obvious reasons, Hillary’s women won’t take long to figure out that this guy is not on their side.
I don’t think McCain’s campaign is unraveling because I don’t thin it was raveled (is that a word?) in the first place. This campaign has never had any real momentum once McCain clinched the Rep nomination, it is wildly all over the place on message, McCain seems horribly out of touch both with issues that matter and in many ways with modern society, he is not seen as the head of the Republican Party the way Obama is seen as the head of the Democratic Party, whcih hampers his ability to control things.
No, it isn’t unraveling, it is just not a very good campaign, especially compared to the one Obama is running.
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[McCain] is not seen as the head of the Republican Party the way Obama is seen as the head of the Democratic Party, whcih hampers his ability to control things.
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That’s an excellent point, and one that I’ve not really heard until now.
I’ve heard similar sorts of things from The Candidate, saying that he cannot stop those people who are saying terrible, terrible things about Obama. I think he means it, I still retain that much shredded respect for the man. On life support.
He has apparently decided to dump Florida. According to MSNBC, he has reversed his position on offshore drilling.
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I think he means it
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Yes, impotence is such an endearing trait in a presidential candidate. 
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http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/gop-convention-button-asks-if-obama-is-presidentwill-we-still-call-it-the-white-house/
For those of you blessedly ignorant of what passes for politics in the Lone Star state, this link for a button being sold at a GOP gathering in Texas, to witless: “If Obama is President, will we still call it the White House?”
I swear, I am not making this up.
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This is absolutely disgusting. However, sadly, I expect much more of this in the coming months…along with the normal slew of Republicans and Conservatives defending it. Sick. Sick and evil.
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Jesus Marimba, Moto, what a lame ass cite. You are comparing hearsay to publicly recorded statements.
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I wasn’t comparing anything - just pointing out that these comments created something of a stir - and that it seems to have gone nowhere since. Just like this whole Clayton Williams thing isn’t catching fire.
Who the hell cares about jokes in the mid-1990s? We’re all the kind to care the most (when the other side does it, of course), and none of us really give a shit. Why do we think the voters will?
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http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/gop-convention-button-asks-if-obama-is-presidentwill-we-still-call-it-the-white-house/
For those of you blessedly ignorant of what passes for politics in the Lone Star state, this link for a button being sold at a GOP gathering in Texas, to witless: “If Obama is President, will we still call it the White House?”
I swear, I am not making this up.
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It’s all coming out now, isn’t it. And to think that a mere six months ago, I thought we had achieved a post-racial political atmosphere and that even the Republicans would never have the balls to go there in front of mixed company.
I was babe in the woods then. Like Lily Tomlin once said, no matter how cynical you get, it’s almost impossible to keep up.
Maybe so, Dio, maybe so. But I’ll bet they didn’t sell very many.
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Maybe so, Dio, maybe so. But I’ll bet they didn’t sell very many.
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One of the posters on the Think Progress link claims to have spoken to the spokesperson of Republican Market, the makers of the button in question. According to the spokesperson, they made about a dozen, and sold about four, but have received such negative backlash that they have no plans for making any others.
Four is still four too many. And the fact that they were made at all shows incredibly bad taste at best.
Actually, hearing they only sold four makes me feel better.
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One of the posters on the Think Progress link claims to have spoken to the spokesperson of Republican Market, the makers of the button in question. According to the spokesperson, they made about a dozen, and sold about four, but have received such negative backlash that they have no plans for making any others.
Four is still four too many. And the fact that they were made at all shows incredibly bad taste at best.
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Yyokay, they made one dozen buttons. Yah, uh-huh, sure. I believe that.
A poster on dallasnews.com said republicanmarket made 104 buttons, so who the heck knows who’s telling the truth, especially since republicanmarket no longer has the button on their site?
But as you said, even if they sold only four that’s too many
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I wasn’t comparing anything - just pointing out that these comments created something of a stir - and that it seems to have gone nowhere since. Just like this whole Clayton Williams thing isn’t catching fire.
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I don’t know what you mean by “catching fire”, but MSNBC has discussed it all day long.
Anyway, as I just mentioned, McCain is changing his position on offshore drilling, no longer favoring the ban he had voted for. But by an unfortunate coincidence, he also released an ad today that attempts to paint him as a friend to the environment. There seems to be a coordination or communication problem within his campaign.
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This is absolutely disgusting. However, sadly, I expect much more of this in the coming months…along with the normal slew of Republicans and Conservatives defending it. Sick. Sick and evil.
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Yep, I think the Motormouth Maybelle character from Hairspray said it best: Expect a whole lotta ugly from a never-ending parade of stupid. Sums up this election cycle pretty well, thus far, and it’s just going to get worse.