But is she going to be running for P or VP? The VP spot is - apart from the awkward problem of possible promotion - one for which she is better suited. Roving cheerleader and all that. And very little to actually [del]do[/del] fuck up.
And this is the problem the GOP has now. I guess it could also be a terminology problem since you don’t hear much about liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats anymore. Romney is a Republican who convinced an overwhelmingly Democratic state to elect him, but he can’t run on anything he did in office because it makes him a RINO. So even more than in 2008, he’s been disavowing his entire record and saying a bunch of stuff no one thinks he believes because that’s the only way he even has a chance at the primaries. Of course he’s a Republican - he’s a devoutly religious billionaire. 
No, he’s not very conservative. He wouldn’t have been elected in Massachusetts otherwise. Michael Bloomberg is a RINO: he was a registered Democrat who joined the GOP when he was running for mayor because they had an easier primary field, he never had any particular link to the GOP (although I’m sure many of his friends and associates are Republicans) and later left the party to be an independent.
My entire point is that the community you’re talking about is absolutely certainly going to get together to back a candidate in the primaries who isn’t Romney. Whether they would vote for Romney in the election is a wholly different matter and irrelevant to anything I’m saying.
Palin isn’t running.
Like the others here I had my doubts until her bus tour started. Back in early March Fox News suspended the contracts of Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum just because they were making noises about thinking about running. Their actual contracts ended in early May so they are no longer employed there. But the contracts ended before any official announcement.
Palin’s “family vacation” would in any sane world - i.e. one governed by the Federal Elections Commission - be considered an action toward a campaign. Unless everyone involved knew she wasn’t running and only doing it for money and publicity. I can’t imagine that she and Roger Ailes didn’t sit down and talk this all out ahead of time. It’s proof that she’s not running, not proof that she is.
Let me rephrase for clarity: Palin isn’t going to run.
I don’t think you’d know how that conversation went without seeing their respective ratings. If Palin is drawing viewers to Fox, she’ll be allowed on until it becomes official.
Of course, Palin staging an event to take attention away for Mitt’s announcement is just an accident.
She might not run if the money were right - but she seemed to be sinking into irrelevancy before the bus tour, so she might do it out of ego. And any adviser who told her not to run because she couldn’t win is not going to stay an adviser for long.
Why would she move to Arizona except to be closer to the center of things?
Only if R means Radical or Reactionary. But just go on excluding large chunks of the country from your party. Works for me, and exclude all the RINOs from history - Eisenhower, Nixon, Rockefeller, Ford, Henry Cabot Lodge, Theodore Roosevelt, Lincoln - and of course that blatant RINO Ronald Reagan. He saved Social Security - what a Socialist!
Palin would likely destroy her money making ,pander to tea baggers, say what the right wants to hear, bandwagon if she ran. When it comes to doing a job she was elected to, and making money, she has already shown what she will do.
The president does not make enough money for her to quit being Fox’s sweetheart and the baggers leader.
But think how much she’d make after she was president. If someone else gets the nomination, the attention will turn from her. Sure, at the moment she is increasing diversity at Fox (not being a blonde) but once her ratings or breasts sag, she is out of there.
I believe Palin has to run in order to maintain her celebrity status, otherwise she is old news.
Consider the legacy - she would be the first major party woman candidate for President. The Republicans would like to capture that title. She can draw crowds and carry the Conservative message against an incumbent. The Republicans have a small chance of winning in 2012 so a flag bearer is a good candidate.
For Palin, she gets all of the glory without the need to win. But, if she does win, her legacy is even greater, and she will cash in on the really big bucks. Where’s the downside?
Crane
Hillary Clinton, Carol Mosley Braun, Elizabeth Dole, Shirley Chisholm… you mean she would be the first nominee if she were able to get that far. Which is far from guaranteed.
I stand corrected.
Crane
It probably wouldn’t stop her from claiming that title, though.
She would be the first party nominee for president.
Crane
Unless Obama grows horns, I don’t think the GOP has much of a chance no matter who they nominate.
If Palin somehow gets the nomination she might make a great sacrificial lamb. Nobody who might be viable in '16 has to get branded a loser. And it would take credit away from Obama- “he’s not that great, he won because Palin was a stinker!” The GOP can blame Palin, claim to have learned their lesson, and who knows, maybe they’ll quit acting so crazy afterwards.
Nah, probably not the last one.
Palin is big on the conservative speaking tours. She makes a lot of money giving her keen insights to right wingers. Apparently she has plenty of offers and is making a ton of money.
Running for president would cost her money. But people in politics start believing their own lies after awhile. They see a sea of followers wildly cheering them every place they go. Eventually, they begin to believe everybody is like them and everybody loves them. It is difficult to stay grounded, especially since everyone around her is praising her for being a great American and a great politician.
She would get bitch slapped in a presidential race. But the real fear is, what if she won?
Could she keep the rich and powerful in back of her? Many must believe she is a kind of joke that they support to poke at the Dems. But if she got serious, would they stay?
Why wouldn’t they? This is crazy talk.
Because she’s unpredictable and doesn’t feel she owes anyone anything. The real moneyed Republican interests will have no interest in funding a Palin campaign, there is no guarantee she’ll ever make good on her promises to them.
Someone like Romney even though he isn’t getting the public support can still get the establishment behind him. He’s a legacy of saner Republican times, he’s an actual businessman that will play ball for money. If he makes it through the primary, he can turn to the moneyed interests and get them behind him. He’s plays the ‘you rub my back, I rub your back’ politics well.
In my opinion between Palin or Romney in the event they won the Republican primary, Romney could fund a competing campaign against Obama, while Palin would be left in the dust.
I’m not sure about how unpredictable she is, given she’s not Senator McCain’s running mate.
Well lots of people donated money to her campaign for governor and she up and quit before doing anything she promised to do. So she’s already proven to be unpredictable and willing to fuck over her donors for her own personal gain.
Do you think the those donors are willing to give her a second shot? What about other that have seen that as an example?
She doesn’t play ball with the rest of the team. She may be a really great pitcher and the fans may show up to watch her play but unless the rest of the team is willing to show up behind her she’s got no chance of winning the game. She’s better off just signing autographs to make her money.
She can rally supporters but she can’t gather enough money to win the presidency.
Romney has proven himself capable of raising money and shown he is willing to sacrifice character to get his donors what they want. He’s taking tough blows for what he got done in MA and at times I’m sure he knew things he did or said would come back to haunt him. He was willing to say and do in MA what it took to get elected and deliver on the promises to those who funded him.
And raised taxes, ran up deficits to unprecedented levels, supported nuclear disarmament, and signed an immigration amnesty bill into law. So of course he’s a conservative hero today!
There are some superficial similarities between Hillary '08 and Mitt '12, I suppose, but more that’s different. Obama is still beatable, given the sluggish economy, but I think I have yet to see the Republican who’s going to do it.