Is target shooting not a popular sport in the US?

I ask because in the multitude of gun threads that have popped up here both in light of the recent Newtown tragedy and generally, discussion about gun ownership is nearly 90% focused on self-defnce, with maybe another 10% on hunting.

Almost never, from US posters, does the subject of owning guns for target shooting (including clay target shooting) seem to come up. Speaking from a non-US (but pro-gun) perspective, it seems surprising that there are so many guns in the country and almost none of them are being used for target shooting. Not even Olympic-level competition, but local or state level stuff.

I know there are target shooting competitions run the US and it is a sport, but hearing people going on an on about self-defence and dismissing target shooting as some inconsequential distraction is… well, odd, IMHO. It’d be like discovering there’s a large, modern country in which no-one races cars or motorbikes.

Anyway, is target shooting really not that popular in the US, or are its participants just not overlapping with the “SDMB posters” on the Venn diagram?

Bonus question: If target shooting isn’t that popular - why?

I know quite a few people who “target shoot”. Not in contests but go to the gun range a few times a month. There is such a large move to take guns away from law abiding citizens they are also outspoken about self defence same with those who have guns for hunting. If a gun owner makes noise about wanting his guns because he likes to target shoot he is discounted as a gun nut that you do not have to listen to.

I’ve enjoyed target shooting since Boy Scouts. Got a merit badge in it. I’ve thought about trapshooting but never got into it. It’s more expensive (buying the shells) and probably would be more fun if I was in a shooting club.

Self-defense shooting is usually different. People focus more on fast and quick shots. More like real life where there isn’t time for careful aiming. I’ve practiced just pointing and shooting. I shoot some with my .38 S&W because I need to experience the recoil. Don’t want any surprises in a real life situation.

I always use my .22 for target practice because those are the cheapest shells.

Really trap and skeet are very expensive, even if you do reload yourself. .22 is probably the most economical for target shooting. We get a fair amount from Sportsmans Guide because our favorite gun shop dude retired a few years back and now we would have to drive all the way in to Hartford [50 miles each way] to shop in there. I have no idea where to get clays for trap and skeet locally, mail order is available. To be honest, I just print up targets on my printer to shoot at. I don’t need a huge sheet, fluorescent ink or whatnot. We don’t need to pay for a range, our berm backs onto 44 acres of empty woods and is good for anything we want to practice with. mrAru had to maintain proficiency for whatever minimal requirements the Navy had for him and occasional hunting when he can find the time, and I just like to target shoot as I no longer can manage to schlep into the field to hunt. Though I did used to shoot the dogs bothering my sheep, but that is more utility shooting than hunting.

[I grew up with both parents hunting, my older brother hunting, and my brother and I learned to shoot at roughly 8 years old over at a scout camp in Western NY local to where our summer house was because my dad was one of the rangemasters there at the time. I like both hunting and target shooting, and believe that if you kill something, you eat it. I don’t get trophy hunters at all, bambi is *tasty*]

This view interests me - why is this? In most other places it’s the opposite; the target shooters are the “normal” people and the “I want lots of guns to protect me from the Government/Unspecified Bad People” ones are considered “nuts” whose views do not merit serious consideration.

This is a strange land, Martini. With everything from infrastructure maintenance to firearm ownership to fine arts education, America in general despises the “because I like it” defense in favor of some logical (sometimes torured) scenario selling the value of doing v. not-doing. And yet, “the pursuit of happiness” is ostensibly one of the reasons for our existence. Strange days indeed.

Americans have a long history of convincing themselves that the only worthwhile ideas are those which benefit the society as a whole, which is why even our most greedy robber barons or corrupt politicians presented themselves as benefactors.

The “I want my gun so I can go and play” argument loses out against the “I need a gun to protect my family and yours” emotionally every time. American politics is a gam eof emotional manipulation; luckily the system is set up so that things which needs to get done do eventually happen (regardless of the justification for the action).

IME, there are plenty of target shooters in the USA. I’m in a pistol league that shoots weekly for half the year, with about 20 teams, 10-12 people per team. And that’s only 8-10 clubs in northeastern MA. I know there are other leagues in other parts of the state.

There are also lots of rifle matches across the country, though I’m not familiar with those.

The thing is, it’s all amateurs, so it doesn’t get the press that the NFL, MLB, or NASCAR get. But yes, lots of target shooters are going out and shooting their guns every single weekend.

“Target Shooting” can mean anything from Olympians who shoot .22s worth thousands of dollars to rednecks blasting trash with shotguns. So I think there’s a lot of people too. That said, I think the sport is in a decline just like any number of other hobbies as diverse as stamp collecting, tennis, and hunting as younger people prefer Nintendo and Facebook.

Also, most professional target shooters, even those that use AR-15s, don’t believe the government wants to sieze their guns, so they don’t make noise. And with urbaniziation most people don’t have the option of going out back to practice their shooting skills. Ranges are getting harder to find (and many are private clubs that are unfriendly to new, younger people or more modern weapons). And high caliber shooting is not inexpensive, especially if you have more colletable, esoteric weapons. 30-06 is expensive enough at 50 cents a round, but I paid close to $1.00 for 7.55 Swiss. I

I live in Calif. If you own a gun and object to gun control you are classed as a gun nut.

In fact our Senator is licienced to carry a gun and I think still does carry, but she authors and trys to get gun control lawspassed so the average citizen can not own a gun much less carry.

Since this thread has moved from whether or not target shooting is popular in the US to opinions about it related to gun control, I’m going to move this over to IMHO.

Colibri
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I believe that is the definition of a gun nut. Someone who already has a gun and wants to make sure plenty of other people have one, or wants more.

On the flip side, the U.S. Civilian Marksmanship Program releases an annual report, and within it is the quote:

This does not strike me as a great number of people for the U.S. The National Rifle Association is affiliated with or sanctions other target shooting competitions—over 10,000 per this link—but I’m having trouble teasing out the total number of competitors (and then avoiding Nth-counting). I don’t know if all of the myriad styles of shooting sports competitions (e.g., Silhouette, Steel) are under the auspices of the NRA, or just traditional, punch holes in paper kinds. I do know the NRA is affiliated with the Bianchi Cup, an “action pistol” or ‘practical’ style of competition. (Though nothing says practical like a race gun with a magazine sticking out four inches beyond the butt or a 3 inch red-dot sight on the top of it…) I do not know whether other organizations like IPSC, USPSA, or IDPA, are counted within the NRA’s totals, and in any event, total numbers of competitors are hard for me to come by. Marketing professionals for firearms and airgun manufacturers surely have better data on the total number of target shooters in the U.S. I wish they’d share.

As to why it isn’t more popular, my guess is that it is due to the lack of affordable shooting areas, compared to the past—as MdCastleman points out—and an overall increase in general cost. I’ll use myself as an example (it is IMHO, after all.). Growing up, I had the opportunity to compete weekly in .22 rifle, four-position shooting, on land that was part of a city park, IIRC. We’d also drive out to a private range for center-fire rifle practice. Even this was more restrictive than my father’s upbringing, where he could literally go off the back porch and go deer hunting or shooting in general. I don’t recall the costs being onerous, though perhaps they were. Reloading centerfire ammunition was a lot less expensive then than now. The components were less expensive: bullets, brass, primers, powder. Factory ammunition also seems much more expensive now than in the past, though I’d like some hard numbers on just how cheap it was back then, and whether the increased prices have outpaced or lagged inflation.

Now, if I want to shoot a pistol, I need to: have a pistol (~$200 for a .22, ~$400 and up for a centerfire. One can also rent at ~$10-20 per pistol, per session.), find a range (most around Houston start at $8 per hour, and many go much higher than that), shoot ammunition that costs ~15 per 100 (.22LR) to 20 per 50 (dirt cheap Winchester White box 9mm) to 30 per 25 (premium 9mm). It all adds up, especially if you shoot 100 rounds or more during a session, which is extremely easy to do with a pistol. High-power’s even worse. The cheapest .223 ammo I can find is around $10 per 20. 7.62 seems to start at a dollar a shot, though you can buy military surplus ammo in bulk for a bit less. It’s just an expensive hobby. Nothing like aviation, or motor racing, but still it adds up. And this doesn’t even get into the governmental costs, for those of you who live in places like IL or MA.

Finally, and maybe it’s just me, but a bit of the decline in shooting sports numbers has to do with the abrasive, snotty attitudes of many of its practitioners and merchants towards newcomers. I have been in the market for a pistol and a CHL, so I’ve recently been visiting more gun shops and ranges than I’ve really wanted to. The customer service attitude is usually indifferent to abysmal. There is very little of a welcoming attitude that I’ve witnessed from I’d say most of the people who sell guns or work at gun ranges. And I like guns! If I feel that way, how do you think a newcomer to shooting sports is going to feel? My GF has been completely turned off to the sport because of a lot of the people within it. Which is a shame.

This has been acknowledged as a problem within the shooting sports community for some time. Visit The High Road or The Firing Line (two of the best gun boards) and search gun store + rudeness. Then spend the next week reading all the accounts of boorish gun store clerk rudeness.
MPO on why this is the case:

  1. Most gun stores are small businesses and operate on the thin edge of bankruptcy. The profit margin on a gun, even an expensive one, is next to nothing. Profits, historically, came from the sales of ammunition and accessories both of which have a hefty mark-up. Wal Mart, Gander Mountain, Dicks Sporting Goods, and various internet vendors sell ammunition and accessories more cheaply than gun stores can and, as a result, are pushing them closer and closer to bankruptcy. This economic situation tends to put the owners in a bad frame of mind. Unless you come in obviously looking like you are about to spend a lot of money, they perceive you as just one more waste of their time.
  2. Too many clerks (and store owners, too) thought that working in a gun shop meant working with guns, which they love. It comes as something of a surprise to them that it is actually just another retail job. It is actually working with the general public who, they find, they do not love. These are the guys who are always too busy bullshitting with their cronies to wait on you when you come into the shop and, if they ever do get around to you, tend to have a disdainful attitude.

I guess I’m lucky in this regard. I’ve been in a couple of gun stores and a target range, and in each one, I’ve had the guys falling all over themselves to help me and answer my questions. I had problems in cocking my handgun, and my husband didn’t have a clue about how I could do it better. I mentioned it to the guys at the firing range counter, and one of them showed me a different method, one that worked far better. He also showed me several different makes and models of pistols, which he felt might be better suited for my needs. The range is associated with a gun shop, but doesn’t sell guns directly. It does have a variety of guns to rent for a bit of shooting. At the gun stores, again, the guys there were very happy to answer my questions and show me things, even if I was just picking up a couple of boxes of 22s.

Now, if my husband is with me, the gun store and range guys are also happy to talk to him about guns, and in a more technical manner than they talk to me. I don’t view this as condescending, because I’m sure that I clearly show that I don’t know very much at all about guns and shooting. They just talk to me in a way that I can understand.

I have a question. If you own 1 painting and want more, are you an “art nut”? If you own one sofa and want another, are you a “furniture nut”? Just curious…

This sounds delightful. Where did you go? There is one range like that in Houston, but it’s kind of like the Nordstrom’s of gun ranges/stores, and priced to match. “Day spa of gun ranges.” Heh.

I mean, I don’t need all of that; I just want the clerk to be able to answer my questions without either, as Scumpup noted, acting as though a customer is an infringement upon their right to visit, or acting like they’d just gotten back from SpecOps/Ranger School/SEAL Team Hell Week, and everything I know is wrong. Well, O.K., I’m probably wrong, but tell me why. Politely, if possible. (It’s not like I’m sweeping people with my muzzle or placing my finger on the trigger when I’m not ready to shoot; both behaviors I saw in abundance from customers at the local Academy gun counter this weekend. Jesus, I’d be fired the first day if I had to work that retail position.)

My anecdotal evidence for you is that target shooting is pretty popular at my house. I have 3 clay pigeon throwers and a packed-earth backstop for rimfire and centerfire weapons.

I’m also a member at the local upland hunting club and they have a sporting clays range that is always busy.

I can’t speak for the rest of the US but in my neighborhood and my extended family there are several competitive target shooters.

One nephew coaches a kids sporting clay team that does very well. One on his team (his nephew – my grand-nephew, I guess) is now 13 and has been shooting against adults in national competitions for a couple of years. He is being sponsored by a very fancy Italian shotgun maker.

Some of them hunt, some of the don’t. Some carry concealed handguns, some don’t. I hear very little talk among them about protection from government gone wild; most of the self-protection talk regards home intrusions and the occasional rabid fox or raccoon in the yard.

So for me, any family or neighborhood gathering contains several target shooters, some of them competitive.

My experience is that target shooting is pretty popular, but not as popular as hunting in the rural region I was raised. Despite that and the low violent crime rate in the area, you will find most gun control discussions centered on “defense”.
Why?
I believe it is simply because gun ownership for recreational purposes is a hard argument to defend against strict regulation. While “defense” is leveraged into a Constitutional Rights argument.

In other words, “defense” is the more easily defended argument. And we all know how lazy us Americans are. :wink: