I don’t mean to be rude, but are you reading my posts? They absolutely did know how contagious he was prior to his departure. They did not know what strain he had, but they knew how contagious he was. They have been running tests, and obtaining results, on his communicability since January.
For anyone who is interested, they have lifted the isolation order. The latest tests confirm (again) that he is relatively non-contagious.
Story here.
Great. Now my “best friend” can come home! :rolleyes:
According to this Reuter’s story:
So they DID tell him to report to quarantine in Italy and told him not to travel on commercial airlines and to wait for the special CDC plane and put him on the no-fly list just for kicks, then?
Those CDC guys sure are a bunch of wacky pranksters, hah hah!
Family of accused says it’s not his fault, he didn’t do it.
I’m shocked, SHOCKED!
They did? Anyway, I vote no on this guy being the “Biggest Asshole Ever”.
Sure looks like it.
It is not disputed by the CDC or anyone else than he was effectively not contagious prior to his trip to Europe. I’m not sure why you’re arguing the point.
They say they did. But hey, they’re just the organization composed of hundreds of doctors specializing in the prevention and research of infectious and other diseases, not the ambulance-chasing lawyer who had tuberculosis and ducked out on a no-fly order by taking an airline from a former Soviet Bloc nation to Canada so he could try and slip across the border.
So I can see why you’d believe him over them.
Because what’s disputed is not what the CDC knew before he went to Europe, but what they learned when he was already there?
Do I have to make up a timeline of events for you people?
This is the third time in this thread alone that you’ve confused his strain of TB with the degree to which he was contagious. When they discovered that he had the more serious strain of TB, his level of contagion did not change. Everyone, including the CDC, knew how contagious he was while in Italy.
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Of course! That explains why the spokesman for the hospital where TB-boy is quarantined said that after the results of the THIRD test come back in, Speaker may be declared “relatively noncontagious” and that even if such a ruling were made he still could transmit the disease to others if and when the bacteria deveoped in his lungs and sputum!
Oh, wait…no it doesn’t.
Are you actually using the argument that, because he might become contagious in the future, than Speaker could have been contagious in the past? Even though they knew he wasn’t?
No, I’m saying that, Speaker’s claims to the contrary, this illustrates why the CDC didn’t want him to fly around, because until the tests came back they had no idea whether he was really noncontagious or not, and even the fact that he may be “noncontagious” doesn’t mean he’s free to wander around at will and take whatever commercial airlines he wants to without putting anyone else at risk.
Which means that any argument saying it was okay for him to illicitly fly home because he was “noncontagious” is an utterly bogus argument, and is contradicted by the CDC’s words and actions in this case.
Or why DO you think he’s in quarantine right at this very moment, if he was declared “noncontagious” long before he went to Europe and his status in the regard could never change?
Bullshit. If they had, at any point, believed Speaker to be contagious, then he would’ve been on the no-fly list from day one. He was placed under quarantine only after the CDC realized they had a PR nightmare on their hands. They were covering their asses, and nothing more.
Look around you. You’re the only one arguing this point. If you can provide one shred of evidence that anyone believed Speaker to be contagious prior to his trip to Europe, during it, or after it, please provide the evidence.
The tests he took to determine whether or not he was contagious had already come back before he departed for Europe. Multiple times. Try again.
The CDC told Speaker not to fly to Europe (which he denies), and at that time all the tests on his TB had not been completed.
While he was in Europe, the test results came back, and the CDC realized the situation was a lot more serious and deadly, so they put him on a no-fly list and told him to see medical authorities IMMEDIATELY.
And remember, all this happened DAYS before it hit the press, meaning that there was no need to worry about PR. They only had to worry about the spread of a disease with a 70% mortality rate by a guy who apparently decided everyone else could go hang.
And you’re the one apparently sure that the side telling the truth in this case is not the one with the DISEASE CONTROL doctors who WANTED TO PUT THE GUY IN QUARANTINE AS FAR BACK AS WHEN THE GUY WAS IN EUROPE, but instead is the personal-injury lawyer who admits he intentionally avoided a no-fly instruction because he had a fatal strain of a potentially-contagious disease (which the doctors weren’t sure WASN’T contagious until after they actually HAD him in the quarantine they wanted him in and ran THREE SEPARATE TESTS).
Like, I don’t know, the fact that the CDC contacted him DURING the trip and told him to go into quarantine, and the fact that AFTER the trip they actually placed him in quarantine?
What do I win?
Yes, that’s why the doctors at the hospital he’s currently quarantined at tested his infectivity THREE TIMES, because they’d long since determined that he wasn’t contagious.
Or are you still insistent that the ambulance-chaser was totally justified, and it’s the whole structure of the CDC that’s wrong, and the CDC is only doing all this to cover their own asses and it isn’t, in fact, their standard procedure for dealing with TB.
You mean, members of the CDC like his father in law? You know, the guy who is an expert on TB, knew all the fact of the case, and was still comfortable with his son in law flying, living with his daughter & granddaughter, and generally dealing with the public on a day-to-day basis? That CDC? The same CDC that didn’t place him on a do-not-fly list after they found out that he wasn’t contagious numerous times? That CDC?
You have nothing but meaningless, irrelevant information. I have produced facts. If you can’t produce any evidence of anything more than your own tendency to engage in Ad Hominem attacks, then this discussion is pointless.
The one under investigation by the CDC about his role in all this, yes.
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You still have yet to explain why, if he was so noncontagious, that they DID put him on a no-fly list and quarantine him, and why the spokesman for the hospital he’s quarantined at took great pains to make clear that even a declaration of “noncontagious” doesn’t mean Speaker is free to walk around at will and will never transmit the disease but instead has to be supervised on his outings and could still infect others.
Why is that, do you think?
Yes, all I’ve done is quote such totally irrelevant and peripheral people like the spokesman for the hospital Speaker is currently at, which is no match for such cold, hard facts of yours like “they were covering their asses, and nothing more,” and which in no way, shape, or fashion resemble ad hominem attacks.
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Cite please. I’d like to see where they TOLD him “not to fly”.
You mean, the tests that had nothing to do with how contagious he was? Those tests?
You’re absolutely right. They had no reason to fear a PR nightmare if he fled. There has been no press surrounding this story since then at all. His name is virtually unknown to anyone in the entire Western World right now. Wow.
It is difficult to spread a disease when you’re not contagious.
I am not taking Speaker’s word for it. I am taking his doctors, who proclaimed him “non-contagious” prior to these 3 tests (which are standard), and prior to his trip to Europe. I cite this upthread. You should try it sometime.
Win? You have to actually be competitive before you can win anything. You are arguing with facts that have been thoroughly debunked. Yet you continue. It’s like watching a car crash.
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The one under investigation by the CDC about his role in all this, yes.
I would like some evidence that anyone has ever believed Speaker was contagious, please.