Who in this thread has mocked or disparaged God?
Heh.
…You know Bernie Sanders is Jewish, right?
How can you dehumanize God?
Where did you pick up the entirely false idea that Bernie Sanders has mocked God?
Whatever the source of that lie, you should immediately break all contact with such a person who will lead you to ruin by violating the commandment “Thou shalt not bear false witness. . .”
Nobody with any sense believes that the Democratic Party is anti-God.
Evangelicals are not the only religious group in America and the Democratic Party doing poorly with them in national elections does not mean they are “Anti-God”. Democrats would not win elections without the support of Black Protestants and Latino Catholics, just to start. Yes, some liberals on the internet forget about those groups when they rail against right-wing Christians, and the Democratic Party is more committed to secular government than Republicans (to put it lightly), but I think the stereotype of Democrats being anti-God exists primarily among groups of people for whom opposition to the Democrats goes much deeper than that. The steps that would have to be taken to ‘win them back’ on a national level would alienate much of the party’s current base. Not worth it.
Exactly.
Your friends are bigoted morons with values antithetical to what America is supposed to stand for. BUT WE DON’T CARE. If you want us to care, get them to become members here and debate their own points. If your “friends” snap and become violent, I hope they are arrested, tried and thrown in jail.
Tell us what you believe, and why. And make sure you’re keeping things factual. This thread is full of absolute bullshit (like the idea that Bernie Sanders mocks God).
Simple yes/no question for you:
Does your god trump the US Constitution, or does the US constitution trump your god?
If you believe the former, I suggest you move to Iran where the politics are more appropriate to your beliefs.
If you believe the latter, then your god is not superior to anyone else’s god. The Constitution guarantees that as a fundamental and unalterable truth. And has since the Founding Fathers; this isn’t a new idea. Though it may be a new and foreign idea to you.
All religions rank beneath the wisdom of the non-god centric people who built, and continue to operate this country despite the ignorant and bigoted interference from the god-centric.
America: Love it as it really is and was designed to be. Or leave it for those of us who do.
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It’s not true that all democrats hate god. But it is true, I think, that most militant atheists are going to be democrats.
Because most church goers are not single-issue zealots.
Ethically, I tend to agree with Qin: I would prefer a big-tent Democratic Party. Politically though, I’m unclear whether there are any districts where such a stance would be a net plus. And by “Unclear” I mean, “Unclear”: I’d have to see an analysis with polling, focus groups, etc.
My first priority involves pursuing the electoral collapse of the Republican Party, at least until they stop embracing extremism and crackpottery and start advocating compromise, good governance and representative democracy. Like enough of them did during the 1950s - 1970s: I’m not asking for perfection at all. A Democratic wave would involve some combination of pumping up and broadening the base. What combination works best is an empirical issue and may vary over time and across districts.
Yeah but those people are, like, black! He’s looking for REAL Americans!
It’s probably worth mentioning that people have been joining their respective militaries for financial reasons for millenia.
My father went to university (more than forty years ago) on the GI Bill, having served four years in the Navy. My father-in-law was career Army; he got his degrees while serving. I have other friends and relations who served because they couldn’t afford to go to school on their own. Some of them went to war during their service. All of them did their duty well, and in return the military - who, let us remember, made them this offer - helped fund their education. That’s not a handout; it’s part of the deal.
I remember San Bernandino. Do you remember the 354 mass shooting that happened before that in the same year? How many of those were committed by Muslims?
Ah, the battle cry of every angry fringe group. “One day soon the silent majority will rise up with us!”. The last time I heard it, it was a couple of doofuses stockpiling guns in the Carolinas with a plan to take on the military. They’re now in jail. Nobody rose up.
Of course, it’s possible that your group of friends may “snap” and similarly take it upon themselves to do some violent. Which would make them terrorists. Why aren’t you doing something about that?
No, they’re not. I’m unaware that most church goers are evangelical Christians. Do you think I’m conflating them? I’m not.
What do you think the Democratic Party should do to attract Christians who are anti-gay, anti-religious freedom, and anti-social welfare, and what do you think the Democratic Party should do, at the same time, to retain Democrats who support those issues? 'Cause I guarantee you, if the Democratic Party tried to attract people who support those issues that I have opposed all my life, I, for one, would no longer consider myself a Democrat.
Not sure, as few self-identify as militant atheist and Dawkins is British anyway.
Charles C.W. Cooke is a staff writer at the right-wing National Review and declares himself an atheist. He says, “There is no getting around this — no splitting the difference: I don’t believe there is a God. It’s not that I’m “not sure” or that I haven’t ever bothered to think about it; it’s that I actively think there isn’t a God — much as I think there are no fairies or unicorns or elves.” Does that count as militant? I honestly am not sure. Other atheist conservatives include George Will, Charles Krauthammer, Anthony Daniels, Walter Olson, Heather Mac Donald, James Taranto, Allahpundit, and S. E. Cupp. Yes, Atheism and Conservatism Are Compatible | National Review
Full disclosure: I’m agnostic.
ETA and crosspost:
I’m saying most attenders of evangelical churches are not single issue. We know this because they support Godless Trump.
The Republican Party’s challenge has always been to persuade a sufficient share of the electorate to vote against their economic interests. I’m alleging that there might be a opportunity there for the Democrats. Qin gave specifics.
Trump has told them that he supports gay rights, that he supports religious freedom, that he supports social welfare?
No, he did not. He gave an opinion that socioeconomic issues might cause them to become Democrats. His mistake is that social and economic issues are entirely separate for them, and that is the social issues that drive them.
Please address the second paragraph I posted. Here, I’ll help:
It is dangerous to generalize such a large demographic as American evangelicalism. It is true most of them are conservative on cultural issues but many of them are not necessarily so on socioeconomic issues both out of self-interest and out of concern for others. Historically such examples as William Jennings Bryan, Harold Hughes, or even Jimmy Carter (who is a fairly liberal evangelical) come to mind in this regard. Similarly evangelicals disagree on their views of the Catholic Church-it has to be noted the current Religious Right is very much an alliance of both evangelicals as well as conservative Catholics. Finally, most conservative Christians at worst want to return to some fantasy version of the 1950s minus Jim Crow not “Christian sharia law”-the theonomist/Christian Reconstructionist movement supports such an imposition of Mosaic law on society but they are a distinct minority even within American evangelicalism even if their influence is somewhat disproportionate-a similar position to that of Marxists in secular society,
On the whole I would rather not have the Democratic Party automatically rule out the support of a quarter of the population especially if it means attracting unsavoury types who’d vote Democrat solely for cultural issue reasons while diluting its position on bread and butter issues.
Hey, lay off GloryDays: maybe, Trump constitutes his God?
He’s got friends in Brooklyn. 
It’s obvious to anyone who pays attention to the Donald that he doesn’t give a shit about abortion or gay marriage and he’s pretty much explicitly stated that he never had to “ask God for forgiveness”. And yes, TRUMP is a nativist welfarist who is committed to Social Security and Medicare which accounts for much of his popularity.