Ouch, hey nurse got a bandaid for that stab? I might bleed to death here.
Come on Origato, you are just trying to pull a hat out of a rabbit’s ass but beware there are laws against that in many states.
You start shit and you can’t finish it. You have to lash out. I told you what was up in that thread. You yacked like a little yappy dog and you didn’t take kindly too it so you bring it up again. So sorry I wounded your ego there, guess I am on to you again.
Whaaaa, ya big baby. You hurt my feelings, please can someone console me because I am a weepy woman now…whaaaaa.
Geez, you are such an insecure, pandering, needledicked bug fucker. Do you have nothing better to do with your life than prowl the boards, attempting to start threads that will get you any kind of attention so you can feel wanted? Don’t make me come over there with the Holy Clue By Four to whomp some sense into your maladjusted little brain.
Because you know you have met your match…you know that I am not here to amuse you but to amuse me. You know that I wont bow down to your pitiful little attempts at “hurting my feelings” because frankly it wont happen. You can call me anything in the world and it’s all a joke to me as far as I am concerned.
You, on the other hand, seem to take this very personally with regards to the OP you posted, which amuses me. I get a charge out of a guy who is so hung up on what the other people have said here, especially given the fact that they gave you facts, it’s pretty sad but amusing. You take it so damn personally that I assume you are sitting back thinking “Damn why did I get my knickers in a bunch over this?”
It doesn’t matter O because you need to learn that you took a topic farther than you wanted to. You gave us a good show. You sat back and flung your dung not realizing the consequences, you realized late in the game you needed to have some back up, as weak as it was.
So get over it son. You do not represent the Libertarians, you do not represent a majority of this board…you plain opened your mouth and got burned by it. Deal with it and get on with your life.
Hi guys, just got home from work and as a “Johnny come lately” I’ll stay out of the name calling for now, but I don’t see why the OP is getting so bent out of shape over this.
As has already been stated, there is plenty of precedent for a wife filling her husbands term. And Origato, If you think for one minute that the voters don’t realize (if I understand your reasoning) that a vote for this “dead guy” is really a vote for this "dead guy"s wife then I think you seriously underestimate the intelligence of your fellow statesmen.
I honestly doubt that you can find many married politicians who don’t confide in and respect the opinions of their wives, with good reason IMHO. These women are extremely savvy of the political world and have helped build the platforms their men stand on …inexperienced? Maybe, Uninformed? Don’t bet on it. Sometimes I think we would all be better off if half of these jerks would step down and hand it over to their wives.
Besides, if she does turn out to be the poor dumb female you seem to have pictured, doesn’t your state have a procedure to initiate a recall?
That being said, I eagerly await seeing you take everyone here down “one at a time”, hope you packed lunch.
It’s not like this is the first time a dead guy’s been on a ballot. Last election, L.A. Sherrif Sherman Block (the highest paid official in California history) died weeks before election day. It was announced that if he won, an unnmaed successor would be appointed from his party. Block lost, but not by that much. Nobody has to vote for the corpse.
And why do you assume the late Gov’s wife is unqualified? She may have been the brains in the outfit. Maybe the Gov was her puppet. Maybe she’s gonna be a firecracker in the Senate. Either way, it’s for Mssourians to decide.
This is just politics as usual. The republicans currently hold the senate seat. Mel Carnahan the democratic challanger is killed in a plane crash. Lieutenant gov. becomes gov. and with a little DNC armtwisting says he’l appoint candidstes wife to serve term if Mel garners most votes. Sympathetic public vote for Mel. Democrats gain another senator.
Just a comment on this - no one on this board scares me. And after recent events, I’ve lost all respect for many people I used to like too. I’ll buck the crowd when my view causes me to do so - I don’t and won’t belong to anyone’s cute little 4th-grade cult of personality (and you know who you are). And I opened myself up to the worst anyone could throw at me in a recent Pit thread I still get mockery over, and I’m still here. You wanna prove “board strength”? Do what I did, and respond to the criticism in the same manner in which I did.
If this was in GD I might contribute as to why this appointment process seems so wrong to me, and the situation so akin to a monarchy (the Queen taking over for the King - and yes, I know this is different, but it seems similar).
Really? I would think it’s a test of my ability to honour a bet, no matter how personally degrading it might be. I might be a fuckhead for making the bet in the first place, but still, I’m not weak willed. And, as others have said, some people take pride in being a cocksucker. Being heterosexual, I can’t make that claim, but I’m simply riding out a bet that I made. Flame me for making the bet, but not for honouring it.
There’s an excellent article in the NY Times this morning about the Carnahan election, which I suggest you read. There are currently three Congresswomen who have succeeded their late husbands, including the one I mentioned in my first post here: Mary Bono. All three were political novices when they took their husband’s seats, and guess what? All three ran successfully for reëlection in the next Congress. Amazing.
Now, learn to read, do some research, and again, go fuck yourself.
Origato, as I see it, your problem with the Missouri election is as follows:
Missouri voters have been given the opportunity to vote for a dead man;
Because he is dead, Missouri voters don’t know who they are actually voting for;
The likely replacement for Gov. Carnahan, should we win, is his widow (or “bitch”, if you prefer);
Mrs. Carnahan is unfit to hold the office of Senator; and
Mrs. Carhanan will be a puppet for the Democrats.
To respond:
As noted above, Gov. Carnahan’s name remains on the ballot due to Missouri state law. OK, you’ve said that you don’t agree with the law. I have no opinion on the law, but please, what alternative do you suggest? Gov. Carnahan is on the ballot because the plurality of the Democratic voters in Missouri wanted him there as their candidate. The three alternatives that I see are all equally undemocratic:
Leave him on the ballot and let the governor appoint the successor should he win;
Remove his name from the ballot, thereby depriving the Democratic voters of the state of being represented in the election; and
Replacing him with another Democratic candidate who, at this late date, could not be chosen by primary election, but would be chosen by the leadership of the state Democratic party.
To my mind, none of these are particularly good choices - please tell us which one you prefer, and why?
2&3. Putting aside the undemocratic nature of the replacement process noted above, in this case, the voters of the state of Missouri have been informed that Gov. Carnahan is dead and that, if he is elected, his widow will serve. So, Missourians have an informed choice to make: Mrs. Carnahan or Sen. Ashcroft. Who they choose is up to them.
Do you have any information about Mrs. Carnahan’s credentials or lack thereof? This is the Aughts, after all (dammit, when will Cece inform us of the correct name for this decade? :)), and women occasionally have their own careers now. I mean, say what you want about Hilary (and as a New Yorker, I’m not voting for her), she does possess the credentials to be a Senate candidate, despite not having previously held elective office. Hell, Ike had never held elective office before becoming President - was he unqualified?
Is your problem that Mrs. Carnahan will be a puppet, or a puppet of the Democrats? In either case, please refer to No. 4 above and discuss her credentials. If it’s the Democratic puppet potential that causes you problems, well, in that case, by voting for Gov. Carnahan, the people of Missouri will have voted for the Democratic candidate. We can then assume they want someone who represents the Democratic position as Senator. Would you feel the same way if Gov. Carnahan and his wife were Republicans? As an example, was it wrong for Mrs. Bono to step in as (Republican) Congresswoman? Would it still be wrong for Mrs. Bono to step in, if the alternative was that a (qualified) Democrat would be appointed to replace Sonny Bono?
Please note that I am neither agreeing nor disagreeing with you (except for your tone, which is plain silly). I’m just asking you why you feel the way you do, and what you would do if you had the power to change things.
Well, this will be more of an IMHO than a Pit post (I tend to think that profanity is the mark of an ignorant motherfucker), but I just felt like sharing.
I’m a Missouri voter, registered Democrat but will probably change my registration to Libertarian shortly. I was not going to vote for Governor Carnahan, and certainly not for John Ashcroft–I was going to go with the Libertarian candidate.
However, after Carnahan’s death I must say that for a while I was going to vote for him–the sympathy vote is STRONG, and I think, unfortunately, women tend to be swayed by that sort of thing (I’m a woman). Nevertheless, in the past couple of days I’ve decided to go with my original instinct and vote Libertarian.
Here’s what I see as the problem. By law, Mrs. Carnahan cannot campaign–it is Mel Carnahan who is still running for Senate, not her. Therefore I have no way of knowing her stand on the issues (for example, I’m pro-life; Carnahan was pro-choice; there’s no telling what Mrs. Carnahan is) or whether I would consider her qualified for the office. I would be making an uneducated vote, and I can’t do that. It’s a bad law that will not allow her to campaign, because it makes uneducated voters of those who would vote Democrat. I guess the assumption must be that since she vowed to “not let the fire go out,” she will vote exactly as Mel Carnahan would have, but again, no one knows.
It’s a bad situation. She seems like a fine person, and I would not be surprised at all if she wins, but if she does it will be as an entirely unknown commodity, and that seems to do a bit of damage to the democratic process.
Sorry about last night’s rants, I really don’t like to get into name calling.
Anyway, if this was a vote that would only affect the people of Missouri, I wouldn’t give a shit HOW they handled it.
BUT, this is the US SENATE, Goddamn it, and decisions made there affect the whole country! You, me, everybody. So yes I have a vested interest in the outcome.
If you’re married and employed, do you feel your spouse is qualified to do your job just because you are married to him or her? I don’t think so! Why should politics be any different?
The best move would be to place the Democatic runner-up candidate on the ballot. Missouri did have a primary election, no? You may not have name recognition at this late date (well, life’s a bitch), but that’s the only thing that will get Mrs. Carnahan elected anyway.
You say my spouse (who doesn’t exist) wouldn’t be qualified to do my job. I agree. The training and the experience needed to do 98% of professional work can’t simply be faked.
However, like you say, this is the US SENATE. Politics. Even if Mrs. Carnahan has no prior experience (other than standing by and supporting her husband for X years, as well as being First Lady of Missouri for Y years), I don’t see how that is relevant to not being qualified for the Senate. As a libertarian, I don’t see how you don’t understand this. An IDEAL US SENATE, IMHO, would be comprised of farmers, doctors, accountants, and housewives. People who actually live in the US, and don’t just run it.
As qualified as she may or may not be, 1% of the US SENATE is hardly at risk of ruining the country.
