Is there a contemporary family with a greater number of notable members [than the Gracies]?

Every one of the Gracies mentioned so far is notable within the BJJ, submission grappling, and MMA world. Kron has two World Jiu-Jitsu Championships and five Pan-Am Championships, Ralph competed and won in Pride FC in Japan and trained BJ Penn, Rillion is a 6th degree black belt, a son of Carlos Gracie, and is said to have the absolute best guard in the sport, so good Rickson can’t pass it (and Rickson slapped the Incredible Hulk and lived to tell about it!). If you don’t know anything about BJJ or MMA or aren’t from Brazil none of the above will mean a thing to you, but you probably haven’t heard of Martin Adams, either.

Another vote for the number of notable members of the Gracie family being zero.

I guess they’re only world famous in Brazil.

I don’t think it fits the spirit of the rules to count everyone called “cohen” as a family, but if you did, it would probably be a winning contender.

I guess millions of viewers world wide who continue to watch the product created by Rorion Gracie on ppv, and 6 seasons of The Ultimate Fighter reality show would disagree about the notability of the achievements of the Gracies.

My statement back in Post 25 wasn’t that the Gracie family was not notable, but instead that their notability was confined to the circle of those who participate in and follow this sport, as opposed to a family like the Rockefellers or the Kennedys, whose fame is in more than one circle, or is at least in a broader circle. (Let’s face it, politics is a much bigger circle than is mixed martial arts.)

Harder to watch, too. :wink:

I’d never heard of the Gracies either, and from what I can tell, only a few of them are genuinely famous. Many of the ones with their own Wikipedia pages are not in the slightest way notable except that they’re descendants of the guy who invented a really specific martial art which is sufficiently specific that most of the champions are from one family. I’m a bit surprised that Wikipedia keeps the pages up, or doesn’t flag them with a “Possibly Irrelevant” flag or something.

But that’s not even relevant to the discussion. We weren’t talking about fame until Freudian Slit hijacked the thread in post #10.

Fame is one way of measuring notability. If you want to answer the question posed in the OP you need to give us some way of deciding whether someone is “notable” or just has a Wiki page.

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Read the freaking OP!

How is that a hijack? You asked if there was a family with more notable people than the Gracies. I disputed just how notable they were. They may have more people with Wiki pages than the Kennedys but since those family members in the Kennedy family are more well known than most of the Gracies, I think that the answer to your OP question is yes. If you only wanted people to agree with you, why did you ask the question?

I thought that’s what we were discussing?

Add me to the people here who are confused by using a word like “notable” to include sports figures in a minor sport. And I’d say the average person doesn’t see a big difference between “notable” and “famous” and “deservedly revered”…

Hey, I’m a huge curling fan, but I have enough humility that I would laugh if anyone mentioned a “notable” or “famous” curler… and that’s from someone who even has a pair of Steve Brown’s curling shoes … y’know, Diane’s dad? Hello?

(why, yes, people do spend money on curling shoes… see what I mean by minor sport?)

But, Cisco, Free Advice You Probably Don’t Want: As soon as someone makes a comment like “the Hive Mind”, it usually signals that they’re taking any questioning of their pet subject WAY too personally. So I was not surprised by the “Hey, Blake, what’s YOUR family ever done?” comment. That should be a red flag to lighten up, laugh at yourself, and take your opinions less seriously.

Or feel put upon and frustrated, your choice.

How about the Rothschild family.

Whoops. I fit squarely in that demographic, and have never heard of the Gracies before. The only thing I know about MMA is that it’s fighting of some sort, and I’m pretty sure I learned that from reading about it on this board.

I would submit that the family of Adam & Eve has many, many notable members :wink:

Read this as the Addams Family at first. I think they both work. (Though, admittedly, Adam and Eve have Gomez and Morticia beat!)

Right . . . except that if you had read carefully, you’d know that Blake actually claimed that his family was more notable than the Gracies.

If Blake provides some information, we could easily make Blake’s family more notable than the Gracies based on your definition. Add a verbal section to MMA events and I’m sure Blake could take out any of the Gracies.

Well as I said, by that standard any moderately succesful family has far more notable members than the Gracies.

To give one example: how many people have actually heard of the Cargills? Outside of those of us interested in agriculture they are compleyte and utter uknowns. Yet they own and control one of the largest agricultural concerns on the planet. Dozens of them are highly successful multi-milionaires and billionaires. They own significant areas of land on 4 continents, according to one source they own more land then the area of Germany and France combined.

This firm is owned by the family, the family all work in it. Some run these huge ranches and farms, some run other business offshoots. All these people are real players who have done things that are notable in the sense of directly affecting the lives hundreds of millions of people on a daily basis.

Yet if I were to claim that the Cargills are all notable, people would look at me funny. Were I to claim that the woman who runs the Cargill phosphate plant in Argentine was “notable” people would laugh at me, and rightly so. She isn’t notable in any way at all. She runs a successful branch of the family business and has interests in the overall multinational and is as rich as Croesus. But none of that makes her notable. I have no doubt that if you work in the phosphate industry she is a household name. But she is not notable to anyone else.

The Gracies are the same.

The fact that Rillian Gracie has the “absolute best guard in the sport” is no doubt notable to the handful of people who follow the sport closely, but does having the best guard in an obscure sport really make him noteworthy? Because that really is the only claim to fame the guy has. He has done nothing else at all noteworthy.

If having the best “X” in a narrow and obscure field is noteworthy then almost any family has far more notable members than the Gracies.