Is there a deep state or cabal [spelling corrected] that is controlling the government?

Do you really think Hollywood types and rich people drink blood and run around nude at night and then spend their days running a secret cabal to control the United States? No wonder this all-powerful group of rich blood-drinking nudists was too stupid to rig the voting machines in 2016 and keep Donald Trump from ever being elected President. They’re too tired from all the dancing and blood-drinking to pay attention to details.

When I form MY cabal, I’m going to staff it with dull accountants and engineers who know how to find the missing pieces in my master plan.

Are there different types of Illuminati?

I’m talking about the Alex Jones Illuminati and showing videos. When he was doing that in the past!!

Yes before switching over to a ultra conservative guy and switched his theme base talking to the ultra right.

This is going all over the place.
What do you believe about this topic?

I have not really looked into it.

I only seen a number of his videos back in the old days when he was different guy.

He was more a libertarian back than before becoming an ultra conservative.

What do you think about the topic of this thread?

OK, ask yourself which is more likely

  1. There’s a secret cabal of blood-drinking, Satan-worshipping, nude tree dancers who also happen to be wealthy and powerful enough to control the government, mass media, and business structure of the United States for decades, and the only people who have discovered it are a small group of fringe patriots who this all-powerful cabal doesn’t simply get rid of.

Or

  1. People who believe #1 are wrong

Don’t forget that the Deep State is also about bringing a Marxist agenda into a position of power and enslaving all good Americans.

Well it is mostly conservatives that are supporting and seem to believe into conspiracy stuff like the QAnon, illuminati or deep state.

I have not heard any of them talk about big businesses or the super rich. And nothing on monopolies, interest groups or lobbying.

It’s the “Look Over There” tactic.

Conservative voters care about a lot of issues that conservative politicians do not. Those politicians get elected by turning to their voters and saying “We know x is a problem, but look over there! This thing is awful! That’s the real reason you’re suffering. Not our rich friends in business. Oh no!” Conservative voters then repeat what their politicians say, because they trust them more than “the liberal media” or scientists, economists, etc.

You’ve already admitted that you know very little about the subject. Why would you think that you know much about these completely insane conspiracy theories?

That is a non-answer to my question. I was inquiring about your opinion about the topic of this thread.

It is. They are having a hard time updating their computer systems.

But don’t forget the awesome Illuminatus trilogy!

Anyhow, best I can tell is that “deep state” refers to any government employee who knows what they’re doing, which is an anathema to conservatives for whom the government does no good is a matter of faith.

And this can go to GQ, really.
NO.

Regulatory capture by wealthy, entrenched interests is a massive problem in the US government at all levels. Not just the federal level and not just with republicans.

But its not the same thing as an organized cabal, its just a bunch of disorganized rich and influential people using their wealth and influence to give themselves more wealth and influence. Also sometimes what those rich people want goes against what other rich people want. The fossil fuel industry vs renewable energy industry for example. Or Trial lawyers organization vs large corporations. Health insurance companies vs hospital agencies.

The King of Great. But as Winston Churchill is quoted as saying, the further back one can look the further forward one can see. What would give anyone the impression that anyone is controlling the government, the current tulmet?

“Tulmet” is a new word for me.

The “Evil Cabal” is now and has always been the rich and powerful manipulating and controlling the hoi polloi. The times, places, languages and culture may change, but the dynamic never has and never will.

I’m gonna set up my own Illuminati, with blackjack and hookers.

I gotta ask ya: how is babby formed?

Exactly. And the concept predates Trump, FWIW.

The way I’ve always heard it was that the “deep state” wasn’t so much just the Federal bureaucracy being competent and not doing Trump’s bidding, although that certainly was part of what he meant.

Rather it was the aggregate of the interests of the Federal bureaucracies, their business partners, and the politicians and powerful people who interact with them. But none of it is organized, aware of the other parts, or even working toward common goals. But it does offer significant resistance to change or doing things in unorthodox or unusual ways, regardless of party. You could describe it as institutional inertia and/or momentum on a very large scale, and you’d be fairly close. As I’ve seen it defined, it would resist any sort of AOC/Omar progressive excess just as much as it resisted Trump’s right-wing excess.

What it isn’t, is some kind of nefarious cabal of business leaders, federal bureaucrats and billionaires secretly colluding and pulling the strings of the people with their hands on the levers of power. It’s not conscious like that.

I worked for the Bell System, and this is a perfect description of a lot of that also, before divestiture. I suspect any large, long lasting organization shows this, which is why startups can eat the lunch of entrenched companies.