Is there really a planet Kolob?

Ok, this is pure speculation, but here goes. This is what we know about the length of a day on Kolob:

Abraham 3:4 And the Lord said unto me, by the Urim and Thummim, that Kolob was after the manner of the Lord, according to its times and seasons in the revolutions thereof; that one revolution was a day unto the Lord, after his manner of reckoning, it being one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest. This is the reckoning of the Lord’s time, according to the reckoning of Kolob.

We can get a couple bits of data here:

  1. One revolution (here apparently meaning day, not the usual use of the word to a sidereal year of an orbit) of Kolob is equal to 1000 years on Earth.

  2. A thousand-earth-year-long day is normal for the Lord.

Looking for the simplest answer, I’d say that the planet Kolob has an extremely long rotational period - it takes 1000 earth years for it to spin on its axis.

Again, going for a purely utilitatian answer, if this is the planet closest to God’s residence, He could naturally identify its day with His own.

Taking the matter symbolically, one thousand years could certainly seem like only a day to an eternal being.

Frankly, I think that non-Mormons tend to spend an awful lot more time on questions of this sort than Mormons do. In the grand scheme of things, the rotational speed of a planet is not particularly important to my faith.

Heres the link

http://home.pe.net/~mjagee/hf.html

Of course there is.

Or would Jack Chick lie to us?

I’ve always loved that one, aegypt. My favorite part is the expression on Janice’s face when she realizes “They’re Mormons!”

I’d expect the same expression along with “They’re full diapers!” or “They’re Charlie Manson and Dick Nixon!”

You may find them in the Pit at http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=85640.

Heck, I even complimented vanilla, sort of.

From some skimming I’ve come to these conclusions

1 The book of Mormon is very much like the Bible in that some passages are inspirational, some are extremely confusing, and many are dry and boring

2 The Book of Mormon is a fairly standard religous text-full of who begat who, prophets, and reminders that people should just be nice

Sure Mormonism has some strange aspects. Every religion does. With the High Holy days coming up for us Jews, people will be throwing bread into rivers, whirling live chickens around their heads, and blowing specific sounds with rams’ horns.

  Since the Book Of Mormon tells of the prophet Abednadi (sp?) chastising a court for not following the commandments God gave to Moses, it seems to me that the Mormons and I are worshipping the same God. We just disagree on the best way to do it.

Question For any LDS- Is it possible that some of the confusion many people have is caused by faulty or incomplete translations from the plates? Is it possible that some of the nuances and double meanings were lost in the translation from the original language (Demotic Egyptian?) to English?

I’m a mostly-inactive Mormon. I’ve studied a lot of the canonical and apocryphal writings of the LDS church and how the critics respond to it. I think it’s very safe to say that critics of Mormonism talk about Kolob a whole lot more than Mormons.

Early Mormon writings emphasized cosmology more than is common today. From the scraps available to us today in journals, it is apparent that Joseph Smith had a more extensive theory than what is preserved canonically in the Book of Abraham. But these theories do not seem to have persisted beyond Smith’s lifetime. It’s probably important to understand that in the 1830s a scientifically accurate conceptualization of the solar system etc. was not generally held except by experts in the relevant disciplines.

References to “Kolob” are almost non-existent in modern Mormon speech and writing. The residence of God is identified as “heaven” or the “celestial kingdom”. I don’t believe this represents an abandonment of the doctrine so much as the desire to distance Mormonism from the notion that “extraterrestrials from the planet Kolob” founded the religion.

Mormon theology describes the creation of the earth as a sort of step in a cyclical process which has produced prior creations and which will produce future creations, a sort of cosmic life cycle that produces an expanding hierarchy of creations that eventually reach a state of perfection. This provides a context for the “first creation” characterization. Mormon doctrine is explicit that only accounts of this creation are available to us.

The unworkability of Smith’s alleged earlier cosmology, the lack of detailed information on Kolob and the preclusion of obtaining more, and the possibility that none of it is intended to be interpreted strictly literally, have made this a sort of dead-end doctrine. It’s there, but it doesn’t affect the Mormon experience to any significant degree.

The Mormon concept of heaven is considerably more complicated than mainstream Christianity’s. It is held that the highest degree of heaven is, in conceptual form, a “glorified” planet. Heaven in Mormonism is a Platonic extension of the existence with which we are familiar. There is, however, no doctrinal justification for taking the resemblance to absurd lengths such as the postulation of “spiritual” Dr. Pepper.

The “underwear dance” is no doubt a facetious reference to the undergarments worn by Mormons who participate in private worship in Mormon temples. The garment has symbolic significance in reminding the wearer of vows he takes as part of temple worship. These vows are very similar to those taken by religious orders within the Roman Catholic church.

There is no “underwear dance”. Mormons are taught to treat the garment with appropriate respect, but there is no ritual in its daily use or care.

Because Mormons believe in large families it would seem that they have a daily mating ritual. There is none. The frequency of sexual activity between husband and wife is not something the LDS church in any way concerns itself with.

Disinformation about Mormonism is rampant, so it’s not surprising to hear amusing takes on Mormon faith and practice.

Could we declare a moratorium on Mormon-bashing? Yes, they have articles of faith that Gentiles find odd, and so what? Who cares if Kolob is a planet, an alternate dimension, or a figment of Joseph Smith’s imagination? The trouble with debates on such matters is that religious beliefs are untestable. Since there will never be a definitive proof or refutation of belief in Kolob, all a debate will do is cause bad feelings and, as we have seen, encourage anti-LDS religious bigotry.
Besides, any religion that has such hot guys going door-to-door(what do you do, strangle the ugly kids at birth?–Mormon men are achingly beautiful!)is OK by me.

Just out of idle curiosity, Sal: exactly what do you do when you have to translate this malar…, er, interesting theory of yours into a language which doesn’t have uppercase letters?

That explains why I couldn’t stay with the church… I’m ugly as sin.

All in all, though, I applaud Gobear’s words.

Ahh… religious arguments. It’s always Black and White you know.

It’s not like our existance revolves around messages from other-wordly beings… Oh… wait a sec…

Why thank you Monty. It Was a compliment.Admit it!
I doubt any astronauts are going to go up and discover a planet called Kolob.
But they also went out in space and didn’t discover Heaven, either.
But its there.

In the minds of delusional people. If Romney wins the Republican nomination, you will see two organizations of immense wealth and excellence in propaganda going at each other fang and claw - the Democrat Party and the Mormon Cult. This will be a Battle Royal that would make Joe Goebbels and Joe Stalin proud.

Having lived in Utah for more years than I care to remember, I can say that most Mormons do not even understand what they believe in. Read the Book of Mormon and judge for yourself. If you thought that the Grimm Fairy Tales are fanciful … they were rank amateurs compared to the imagination of Joe Smith who founded the cult.

Read the book and ask yourself the question: “If someone came up to me on the street and told me this story would I believe it”. Because that is precisely what will happen if their missionaries see. Keep an open mind and watch Mormonism be exposed during the general election cycle. And do not be cowed by Mormon zealots who will label you a “Mormon basher” if you question their beliefs any more than you would those of say the Scientologists or Hare Krishnas.

I am loving the hell out of the Republican primary.

Reported. :wink:

I noticed this thread stopped the first time 4 days before 9/11. I guess everyone moved on after that

Welcome to the board, EJBonham. You can start a new thread and link to this one if you want, but I’m going to close this one because it’s 10 years old.

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