Is there such a thing as math dyslexia?

Well, not dyslexia, of course, but you know what I mean.

I’ve had problems with math all my life. It takes me forever to translate the symbol 8 or 4 into a quantity. When I’m trying to do a math problem, I will sit there and say, “Okay… four plus eight. Four plus eight. Uh… er… what am I doing… Four- oh, right. And there’s the eight, and if I smash them together a two breaks off, so it’s twelve.” It’s like a broken record, where the needle gets stuck in a groove and repeats itself while getting nowhere. There’s some blip between Number and Quantity.

Actually, come to think of it, I have this trouble with symbols in general. Clocks, for instance. I do really know how to tell time, it’s just that it takes me so long to translate bighand/littlehand into 5:23, it’s easier just to wear a digital watch. And foreign language. Most of the reason that I haven’t been able to learn Hebrew all these years is because I have to stop and think about each individual word. If my record needle’s sticking, and it takes me several seconds to remember how to say “Good morning”, and by that time the teacher has finished the sentence… well, that makes comprehension very hard.

It’s like once I learned English, the symbol-processing part of my brain was completely filled up, and now it only works spottily for everything else. Maybe it’s not so much math dyslexia as inverse dyslexia-. problems with everything except reading.

Does this sound like any known neurological condition?

Yes, it is called dyscalculia.

Wow… that list is me… thanks. Another shiny new disability to add to my collection, I guess.

Wiki on dyscalculia:

Just a WAG, but I’ll hazard that dyscalculia is a lot less recognized than dyslexia, simply because a. any dyslexia-type disorder is more common in males and b. males are commonly better with numbers.

I guess that would eplain why, after ten years of full-time special ed, no one ever figured out I might have a reason for being bad at math other than, “You’re not applying yourself fully”.

It’s probably also easier to get by in everyday life when you have dyscalculia than if you have dyslexia to the point where you can’t read. I have a lot of trouble doing arithmetic in my head, and it really doesn’t affect my life that much. I use credit cards when I shop for groceries, so it’s not a problem that I can’t keep a running total of how much it will all cost. If you use a credit card for all your shopping, the credit card company keeps track of how much you spend every month for you. Online banking has pretty much eliminated the need to balance checkbooks. Even before that, I always made sure to keep enough in my checkbook that I wasn’t likely to have the balance go anywhere near 0, so no worries about overdrafts. If I’m sitting at a computer and need to calculate something, there’s Google (before that, there were calculators). I can usually fumble through calculating a tip, though I usually ask Mr. Neville to do it. If I play a game where a score needs to be kept, I never volunteer to do it.

I’m terrible at estimating how much time has passed. But that’s why there are clocks, watches, and now cell phones.

I’m bad at directions and navigation. I allow a generous amount of extra time for getting lost if I’m going somewhere I’ve never been before.

I don’t think any of these things causes me nearly as much difficulty as being illiterate would.

My oldest daughter has dyscalculia. When she was in grade school ten years ago it wasn’t recognized. They only tested for dyslexia, so she was just told it was all in her head and if she just tried harder she’d be okay.
That’s why I ended up home schooling her.

I managed to get through the basics but she’s twenty and still has trouble telling time on analog clocks and has poor concept of time. It’s not just not being bad with math, much like dyslexics aren’t just “poor readers”.

My youngest has sensory processing disorder. I wonder if they aren’t related because they both seem to have some auditory processing issues.

Oh, god. I only WISH someone had diagnosed me with this when I was little. My dad nearly beat me about the head when he realized that I didn’t understand multiplication or division – when I was in the 7th grade. If I have to multiply, say, 4 times 5, I typically think 4+4+4+4+4 instead of 4x5.

So many other things on this list… difficulty reading analog clocks, not being able to memorize dance steps, mentally turning the map to face the current direction, difficulty keeping scores…

Is there anything one can do to overcome dyscalculia?

Become a writer.

In advanced abstract math there are practically no numbers, almost everything is Greek letters and other strange symbols. If you’re having difficulty discerning the notation I wonder which would apply - dyscalculia or dyslexia?

Too late! :stuck_out_tongue:

I suppose it’s a good thing that I stuck to the literary arts. But it’s still embarrassing to be so sucky at math and numbers.

Currently I can do math fairly well again, but I have one annoying problem. I used to do math in the background without much thought and the answers were there instantly. Now I think about what I’m doing to do math but there is interference from the background for one particular thing I figure. The sign says 2 for $3. My conscious thought comes up with $1.50 each. My background processing then pops out 75 cents each. My craptistic short term memory doesn’t catch this and I regularly expect something at the 75 cent result. Knowing this is what has been happening I then double the price I’ve come up with and see if it makes sense. It’s called cooping.

I am so disastrously bad at math that the student services person at my school has recommended that I go to the university office of disabilities. (I display some of the other symptoms of dyscalculia as well, such as problems with direction and game rules; I’ve been taught how to play poker multiple times, but I still can’t quite grasp them.) It is actually threatening my likelihood of graduating - my program requires that I take calculus, statistics, and two economics courses. So far I’ve failed calc and stats, am retaking stats now and doing terribly, passed one econ course (barely) and am struggling in the second. I will be allowed to walk with the rest of my class at graduation in a couple months, but I won’t actually get my masters degree until I retake calculus.

And yet I refuse to have it checked out. I don’t want to look like a whiner, like I’m looking for an excuse for my shortcomings.

ETA: I’m a grad student, so when I say I failed, I didn’t get an F, I got a C. Core courses in my program require a minimum of B-.

Math professor here, and I don’t think anybody should feel embarrassed or ashamed about having a particular learning disability that affects quantitative thinking.

AFAIK, there’s no reliable way of treating dyscalculia at present, so it’s all about developing coping strategies. That can be challenging, especially if one of the things you have to cope with is taking an actual math course.

My off-the-top-of-the-head advice would be: verbalize and visualize as much as possible. Explain to yourself in words what a particular math formula means, and try to remember the explanation rather than the formula. Can you remember the visual appearance of graphs better than the symbolic notation of formulas? Then use graphs as much as you can.

You are no less capable at understanding the concepts of math than anybody else; what you have trouble with is dealing with the mechanics of quantitative processing. That is a disability and I’m not pretending it’s not, but it doesn’t mean that you’re dumb or that mathematical ideas have to remain a sealed book to you.

Some of the world’s foremost quantitative scientists apparently were actually dyscalculic. This article, though I wouldn’t necessarily vouch for its reliability in every detail, contains a lot of information on the study of dyscalculia and learning strategies for dyscalculics working with math.

I have crippling dyscalculia, to the point where at 25 I have the approximate math skills of maybe a first-grader. I can add okay in my head, but anything above the double digits in subtraction gives me trouble. I also have a difficult time with clocks. It’s as though there’s a big gaping hole in my brain where most people store their math ability.

I’ve always displayed terrible problems with math… but I have NO problems with maps, navigation, analog clocks, most of the rest of the definitive list. My ability to visualize in 3-D and handle spatial problems is actually waaaaaaaaaaaaaay above average. On the other hand, it took my two years to learn the multiplication tables up to 12x12, and four years to master long division. I required extra tutoring to get through basic math, and I take much than average to complete calculations. Once I get them done they’re accurate, but my math processor functions at about quarter speed it seems.

I, too, endured many accusations of being lazy, having a bad attitude, stubbornness, etc. “You’re an A student in everything else, if you would just apply yourself you could do well in math, too!” That was when I was spending hours a night trying to get my homework done, was giving up my lunch hour for tutoring, and so on… didn’t matter how much tutors, parents, and teachers (I have a few who clued into my having a problem rather than a bad attitude) vouched for me, my high school counselor was convinced that I was somehow “faking” it, staging all that for attention…

Yeah, still a little bitter after all these years…

Whatever. I’ve developed coping skills, I love having a calculator function on my cellphone, and I’ve gotten on with my life.

Maybe we should start an SDMB dyscalculia support group? :slight_smile:

My dad says he “doesn’t buy it”. My mother agrees that I should be tested as soon as possible, and that it’s outrageous that none of my special ed teachers noticed this in ten years. Maybe if I actually get an official paper stamped with DYSCALCULIA on it, my dad will finally believe that I haven’t inherited his math genius.

Kyla, do you think that shortsighted people who wear glasses are whiners?

Go get checked, woman!

Although I don’t have dyscalculia, I’m pretty terrible at math as a result of never really trying too hard and I’m now really weak in the basics. I’m studying in a mechanical engineering program, and I have to say that I find it a lot easier to learn and understand equations that are simply symbols than it is to do basic algebra. I can get through an entire derivation of something, no problem, and the moment I’m given numbers to actually plug in, I lose a minus sign somewhere, or generally fail at the basic freebie marks! I’m well known for doing stupid stuff like 2x3=5 and 6x-4x=4x. It feels to me, at least, like the two are separate processes - the equations and symbols are like writing words, while the numbers actually involve, well, numbers, and I’m pretty good with words.