Is This Anti-Semitic?

[zweisamkeit]

@sqweels

IMNSHO, that’s a cheap rhetorical device to get around that very point.

I’ve heard the trinity described in this way (I read it here, but I don’t know who explained it or I’d definitely credit them!):

There’s a guy named Bob. Bob’s married and has some kids. Obviously Bob has a mother and father. Bob is, simultaneously: a son, a husband and a father. He is three different things (with different roles for each) but still is one person.

:: shrug :: As with all analogies, I’m sure it’s not perfect, but I think it’s pretty good for this case.

[sqweels]

Nonsense, zweisamkeit. Your analogy shows the same person performing three different roles. The Trinity purports that three different entities are performing the same role. You could say a sperm donor, a fertility clinic doctor, and the mother’s husband are all a kid’s father, a kid can only have one father, therfore they’re all the same person.

[Nobody]

@sqweels

Nonsense, zweisamkeit. Your analogy shows the same person performing three different roles. The Trinity purports that three different entities are performing the same role. You could say a sperm donor, a fertility clinic doctor, and the mother’s husband are all a kid’s father, a kid can only have one father, therfore they’re all the same person.

Pretend you come upon a 2 dimensional world, say a square, floating in space, that’s inhabited by circles. The circles can move N, S, E, and W, but cannot look, move, nor have any concept of up and down. Now say you dip three of your fingers into the square. As far as they’re concerned, there’s three new individual circles, each one separate from the other. They can move all around your fingers and you can interact as if each finger is an individual circle. But because of their limited perception they don’t see how the circles connect, and that even though there are three circles, there’s only one person. I imagine it’s kind of like that.

[kelly5078]

Not antisemitic. Just incorrect. Clapton is God.

[sqweels]

@Master Control

Pretend you come upon a 2 dimensional world, say a square, floating in space, that’s inhabited by circles. The circles can move N, S, E, and W, but cannot look, move, nor have any concept of up and down. Now say you dip three of your fingers into the square. As far as they’re concerned, there’s three new individual circles, each one separate from the other. They can move all around your fingers and you can interact as if each finger is an individual circle. But because of their limited perception they don’t see how the circles connect, and that even though there are three circles, there’s only one person. I imagine it’s kind of like that.

Are you quoting a research paper or are you writing your own? Either way, I’m sure you’ve got it pegged. :rolleyes:

Me, I’ll stick with Occam’s Razor and maintain that belief in the Trinity is a doctrinal device to reconcile the divinity of Jesus with monotheism.

[drgnrdr07]

@Master Control

Pretend you come upon a 2 dimensional world, say a square, floating in space, that’s inhabited by circles. The circles can move N, S, E, and W, but cannot look, move, nor have any concept of up and down. Now say you dip three of your fingers into the square. As far as they’re concerned, there’s three new individual circles, each one separate from the other. They can move all around your fingers and you can interact as if each finger is an individual circle. But because of their limited perception they don’t see how the circles connect, and that even though there are three circles, there’s only one person. I imagine it’s kind of like that.

I have heard that same story from my chemistry teacher about why it is difficult for a human to perceive more than three dimentions. He tried to show that the story illustrates how difficult it is for two dimentional beings to perceive us (three dimentional) and how we would have the same difficulty understanding more than three dimentions. Strange… you aren’t my chem teacher are you?

[athelas]

@drgnrdr07

I have heard that same story from my chemistry teacher about why it is difficult for a human to perceive more than three dimentions. He tried to show that the story illustrates how difficult it is for two dimentional beings to perceive us (three dimentional) and how we would have the same difficulty understanding more than three dimentions. Strange… you aren’t my chem teacher are you?

Read Flatland recently?

[Nobody]

@sqweels

Are you quoting a research paper or are you writing your own? Either way, I’m sure you’ve got it pegged. :rolleyes:

Me, I’ll stick with Occam’s Razor and maintain that belief in the Trinity is a doctrinal device to reconcile the divinity of Jesus with monotheism.

Hey, that’s perfectly fine, you’re free to believe however you want. But why the hostility?

[Nobody]

@drgnrdr07

I have heard that same story from my chemistry teacher about why it is difficult for a human to perceive more than three dimentions. He tried to show that the story illustrates how difficult it is for two dimentional beings to perceive us (three dimentional) and how we would have the same difficulty understanding more than three dimentions. Strange… you aren’t my chem teacher are you?

Yeah, I’m wearing my tweed jacket with leather patches and smoking a pipe as we speek
Nah, seriously, I got interested in higher spacial dimensions years ago and have read some articles and have a book or two on the subject (although I’m not very good on the math aspects of it).