Is this bestiality, and if so should it be illegal?

Well, that just goes back to the “how” problem, namely the only way to gather this kind of information is from the alleged criminal. And if a human can take the 5th, does that mean the dog has to take the 35th?

Yes, but only in his heart.

I thought the dog n’ peanut butter thing had happened only on Nip/Tuck.

Really? Man I need to start watching that show.

Is it a male/female thing, though? That is, if a guy wanted a male dog to penetrate him, would it be harder than a woman trying to get a male dog to penetrate her? Does the dog see its owner as female and therefore as sexier than a guy owner? Or do they not really differentiate? I mean, I don’t know a male from a female dog without looking at the genitals.

That is a good point. And I don’t know if the horse really can comprehend that. That is, there’s no way of communicating to the horse, “I’m only riding you to get off.” The horse isn’t going to really know or care or be disturbed. Unless you’re savagely beating it or trying to hurt it. It’s not thinking, “Ewww, he was thinking about SEX when he was riding me? Brain bleach, please.”

Are there any situations where the child just couldn’t know? Okay, I guess if you have a skeevy uncle and the uncle is always saying stuff like, “Come sit on my lap!” or “Come dance for me!” Is dancing or sitting on a relative’s lap inherently sexy? No, but I’ve heard a lot of people tell stories about weird uncles who just felt off.

If you’re a pedophile and no one knows and you’re not the one asking the kid to dance, is it a problem? Like say you’re a pedophile, you know that Sally’s a good little tap dancer, and you come over for dinner one night and her mom’s all, “Come show us what you learned today,” and you find it gratifying…is that wrong?

It was Melissa Gilbert and a Rottweiller, as I recall. Hard to forget!

To add to the OP: Does your answer change if the animal is prepubescent?

:wink:

I’m surprised no one’s brought up Catherine the Great yet…

Well that was a horse of a different color.

Most humans believe atheism is immoral.* Does that make atheism objectively immoral? And more to the point, would that justify outlawing atheism?

Warning: pdf.

Banning atheism would be violating the First Amendment and most people do not wish to outlaw it, they only disagree with atheists. It’s different from this issue.

How is it different? If morality is simply an issue of popular opinion, and immorality is sufficient reason to outlaw something, why should atheism not be outlawed?

Using animals in almost any fashion that is not overly cruel is legal. Hell, one can shove a giant, 2ft long, electric dildo up a bulls ass, shock its prostate to get semen, and sell it. Legal.

But you go to jail if you were to stick your dick up the cows ass instead of a dildo? Doesn’t make sense.

By using your logic the idea that murder is immoral is simply popular opinion.

I think it’s just that the bull gets more fun out of the first?

Hey guys, want a first hand account? It will answer all your questions.

Ooo, I forgot the capper:

If you have any moral fiber in you, you will jerk off your dog!

Dude… what… the… fuck…

Step 1 for growing muscles. STOP PLAYING WOW. Step 2 for getting laid. Post on craigslist re guys who like when girls lie there.

Problem solved!

Hmm…me thinks you should tell more - I’ve never searched for it (really!), andd would actually be surprised to learn that a dog would undertake and ejaculate to full penetrative sex with a human, or even mastubatory - and morbid curiosity would actually compel me to watch a video (am I sick?)

Pretty much any time a debate about human/animal relations/ethics comes up I find myself in a quandry. I tend to think of things anthropologically, and the reality is that pretty much every species on the planet has screwed every other species on the planet that they’re capable of screwing(and a few they’re not). Ever since sexual reproduction evolved, the mandate has been “spread it far, spread it wide.” Thus we have budgees mating with their owner’s hands when they reach into the cage to feed them. We have ligers, and tigons, and humsters.

When it comes to humans exercising control over our domestic animals, it’s even more jacked up and pretty much indefensible. We breed them for all kinds of ridiculously unnatural purposes(anyone want to defend intentionally breeding deaf cats), and if one of them doesn’t turn out in the specially warped way we want, we drown it, or eat it. I mean really? Any idea what happens to animals in labs?

Look, in nature if the dog encountered a top tier predator, instead of that predator giving them a tasty treat, a warm place to sleep, medical care, and affection, they’d face the realities of nature and end up as a tasty treat. I just can’t get worked up about bestiality. The most I can rationally justify is researching the connection between using an animal to get off and a lack of empathy for other humans. If there are people out there who don’t care about anything but their own desires, and are willing to manipulate an animal to satisfy them, then who is to say they wouldn’t do the same to a human if the opportunity arose. I’d like to get an answer to that question, but if no significant correlation is discovered, then freak freely. If I were a dog I’d rather be humping my master than his dinner or roadkill.

Enjoy,
Steven