I saw this somewhere I don’t know where if it comes to me I will post it. But basically this guy brought up this scenerio.
If a women hits a man for pinching her butt, she is considered a champion against harrassment. But if a guy punches a homosexual for pinching his butt, he is considered a homophobe.
Pretty interesting thought and wanted to get y’alls take on it. What do y’all think? Should a guy be able to punch another dude out for that without being considered a homophobe?
No way, he’s a homophobe and she’s frigid. I mean, who WOULDN’T want me pinching their butts?
Uhhh.[/bad joke]
Wow, the whole “homophobe” stigma is a strange one… It only seems logically correct that the guy should be able to do the same thing as the girl in response to a, likewise, unwelcome sexual advance. But are we talking about legality here? I mean, can a girl bop a guy for that? Or is it more of a “a girl sleeps with a bunch of guys she’s a slut but a guy sleeps with a bunch of girls…” thing?
I wish butt-pinching were more socially acceptable, though. Alas, this is not the case. So much for utopia…
Well the first question is if the discrepancy in attitude that you describe exists. I would suggest that it does not.
I’d say thats not homophobic.
I’m really starting to detest all this political correct crap.
My answer: Why should a homosexual man be given extra rights, such as the right to impede other people’s right to happiness? It’s not unlike affirmative action: In an effort to make things equal, they decide to give a group of people more power.
If a man pinches a woman’s butt, he attempting to gain sexual pleasure at the expense of the woman’s happiness, no? It’s the same thing if a homosexual man pinches the butt of another man. Therefore, it’s also sexual harrasment.
The issue of wiether or not the man/woman should retaliate by punching the other guy’s light out is another issue. 
I don’t think anybody should pinch anybody’s butt without permission. The courts did rule, I remember, that you can be sexually harrassed by someone of your same sex…that that falls under laws against sexual harrassment. I don’t have the case now, but could find it.
I think it’s a flawed scenario. A woman hitting a guy, usually a slap, isn’t the same thing as a guy slugging another guy.
Slapping seems appropriate in either case. Breaking the guys’s jaw doesn’t.
A man must also be careful before using physical force. A woman’s slap isn’t usually considered a physical attack by a man. A man’s physical strength is usually (but not always) considered to be superior to the women’s. Therefore he can’t retaliate meaningfully in kind, but has to take his medicine.
Being struck by another guy entails no such compunction.
So, in answer to the OP, it’s not a question of homophopbia, it’s a question of gender roles, and responding appropriately to an unwanted advance.
I’m a gay man, and I don’t call that homophobic. As Scylla pointed out, it has to do with responding appropriately to an unwanted advance. If a guy grabs me without getting my permission beforehand, he had best watch out. It’s best to resolve things without violence if you can, but grab my ass and you’ll be knocked on yours( unless you’re Russell Crowe, in which case grab anything you like!).
Bill:
Sua
Actually, she’s probably considered guilty of Aggravated Assault.
Bill, as is your wont, you are leaving out a lot of details. “Considered” by whom? The guy he decked? The arresting officer? His buddies at the Lodge Hall?
I may be going out on a limb here, but I’m guessing you mean “considered by Right-Thinking Society at Large”. If so, right there’s a problem, because Society at Large doesn’t Think Right.
But I digress. To return to what I flatter myself that I perceive as the gist of your question, to wit, is it equally correct for both sexes to respond with violence to a small sexual liberty? Of course it is. How much violence? Maybe none.
Here’s where my personal mores and U.S. Criminal Code are at a variance. The small exposure to the study of law in which I have been trained has been generally limited to whom I can and cannot shoot, legally. The gist of it seems to mean that you are responsible and will be held accountable if you inflict any more damage on an assailant than is necessary to stop the assault.
My personal mores allow more latitude. I certainly would never favor more than a simple decking in response to a pinch to the gluteals, in any circumstances. And the circumstances must be considered. Are we at a party, and the pincher is drunk? If yes, than a simple “Stop that!” might suffice, for the first offense. If not, or if it happens again, a swift, spinning backfist strike to the jaw posesses an elegant closure to the moment.
goboy: If a woman grabbed your butt, would you knock her on hers?
Just curious, I won’t touch you…
*Originally posted by SuaSponte *
First, Happy New Year SuaSponte! Like I said I heard it somewhere(man this makes me mad at myself I should get memory pills or something) so I don’t know if there was an actual case or not. You are probably right it is just hypothetical dilema. I just kind of thought it interesting.
Yes, I agree that is inappropriate for the offense. But what about a black eye? Also I disagree with scylla a woman alot times can punch just as hard as a guy(not that I know or anything 
) but I have been told this by my friends with mean girlfriends. Also a guy is not likely to slap punches come more natural to a guy.
I agree with this.
Also sua or captain amazing is it illegal for say a woman or a guy to retaliate physically to a unwarranted touch?
Goboy, I figured you would answer the way you did. I still remember your post about the dude hitting on you at the magazine store. And Happy New Year to you also.
You may find this surprising, Bill but generally, when lawmakers are enacting legislation, they don’t really focus a whole lot on if the perp is a woman or a guy.
YMMV, in general, it is most likely against the law in your jurisdiction to touch anyone without their permission. This includes the butt pinch, and the resulting slap. The specifics about gender and sexual orientation are usually not the issue- even iff it’s considered a ‘sexual attack’ - the specific that it was undesired contact is the relevant piece of information.
In my jurisdiction, what you’re supposed to do is contact the authorities (ie call the cops) vs. hit back, under the circumstances described. Now, if the attack is on going, you are allowed to do what is necessary to get away (not necessarily the same as ‘defend yourself’). Lots of other variations if there’s a weapon, but, for example, much as you may dislike being pinched on the butt, you’re generally not allowed to pull out your AK47 and empty the clip into the perp…
And Happy New Year to you to wring,
Ok so you are suppose to call the cops. Well they always do that and they are never around. So could a male or female strike the perp without being charged with assault?
happy new year back atchya.
in my state (MI) if you’re touched w/o touching back, chances high that the perp would get arrested.
You hit back, all bets are off, I’ve seen:
woman stabs husband, while she’s stabbing him, he chokes her, she dies. He’s convicted of homicide (should have/could have stopped choking when she lost consciousness).
man attacks female neighbor, choking her. She grabs up baseball bat. Hits him. 3 times. she’s convicted of assault (although I’ll grant you she was sentenced to one month probation which tells me the judge wasn’t too impressed by the whole thing).
Man A cuts off Man B in traffic. Man B follows Man A to where he parks, gets out of car, to detail for Man A exactly how big a jerk Man B thinks Man A is. Man A stabs Man B, nearly killing him. Man A is convicted of simple assault (a misdemeanor) on the basis that Man B ‘started’ the fight.
(examples come from my work - first two were clients, third friend of a co worker)
So. You hit back, you are letting yourself open for a charge. (or at least in MI)
Many women CAN punch as hard as men, but they usually don’t, which I think was Scylla’s point. Men, as you say, are much more likely to punch, and therefore to cause more damage.
The best bet in any situation where physical contact is present is to just leave. While I sympathize with the urge to slap, punch, or otherwise physically reprimand someone for pinching your ass, it’s rarely legally justified. Assault is assault–it might be mitigated by provocation, but it’s never justified.
And to emphasize what a few others have said, smacking someone for pinching you (or otherwise feeling you up) might be assault or it might not . . . but it’s not homophobia, and anyone who thinks so is a fool. And honestly, almost nobody would, irrational fears of a liberal PC conspiracy notwithstanding.
This is why I love ya, Bill. You start out saying something stupid, but manage to convert your own thread into something interesting and intelligent. Keep up the good work!! And Happy New Year to you as well. 
Okies, the legalities and practicalities. You are only allowed to strike another person in self-defense, and with the minimum amount of force to get the job done. If someone is trying to hurt you, you are allowed to defend yourself to the extent that you are preventing yourself from being hurt. If they are only trying to hurt you (no serious bodily injury intended or possible), you aren’t allowed to kill them, even if that is the only way to stop them from hurting you. Further, if you have the opportunity to escape, you must escape rather than strike the other person (this varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction).
The practicalities. No sane D.A. is going to press charges against a man or woman who slapped a guy for pinching his butt, even though it was technically illegal. For one thing, the D.A. knows that no jury would ever convict.
Sua
Bill,
If you hit anybody, with a few limited exceptions (Boxing, self defense, a parent or acting in loco parentis), you can be charged with assault.
Heh. It depends on the force of the “slap,” as others have mentioned. Last month, a friend of mine spent Friday night at the Tombs after she “slapped” someone hard enough to send him over the pool table.
At the end of the day, she’ll probably plead out to a misdemeanor or maybe even get a postponement with an eye to dismissal, since the guy wasn’t as seriously injured as he looked.
But I can guarantee you ain’t nobody in that bar going to pinch her again!
In my younger days, I occasionally got pinched or kissed when I did not want such attention. I usually punched or kicked the guy (it was always guys, btw). I was never charged with assault, though I suppose I could have been. As I’m under 5’2", I imagine the guys didn’t want to admit that they’d been decked by such a small woman.
And the guys who got punched never, to my knowledge, pinched or kissed me or any other woman without making sure it was all right with the woman.