Thanks. My dictionary lists as the definition for “homicide” : “the killing of one person by another” so, since I couldn’t remember what specific crime he was convicted of (2nd degree murder, negligent homicide etc.), I felt it was the more appropriate and technically accurate term to use. Shrug.
Izzy:
Yes. So?
Whether or not “sexist” automatically equals “bad” is another thread altogether.
I tried to avoid this thread but just couldn’t. Why would so many people come here and debate this crap? I have to agree the tendency on this board lately to create straw figures in order to debate PC paranoia is getting to be a very large bore. First of all most civilized people with manners do not always answer less than civilized behavior with the same. If someone male or female pinches my butt in order to convey some lewd or lacivious intent I would not simply turn around and slap them. I might however turn on them, berate them for invading my personal space and simply walk away. That would, in my opinion, be the proper response from a well mannered person. Should the situation escalate into something more threatening then I might have to reevaluate the situation.
This thread is another attempt to put women, homosexuals and our attempt at attaining equality in this society into a bad light. When men are raped, beaten, terrorized, exploited, etc. etc. at the same rate as women then you can start boo-hooing about your “rights”. When women and homosexuals start roaming the streets in packs beating up straight guys just for the fun of it then you can start worrying. Jeez!
Needs2know
Needs2know, I couldn’t have said it better. Gays and lesbians are in danger every day of their lives of being victims…
In this context, straight men’s paranoia about “butt-pinching” is downright silly.
No shit. That’s why I’m willing to discuss it with Bill. He’s willing at times to learn, and I hope perhaps he’ll understand that his OP is completely unfounded. Good enough for you, Needs? :rolleyes:
Shall we start an anti-anti-politically correct thread? 
When the shoe is on the other hand, boy, the liberals sure show what they’re made of! OP has a very cogent point, ignored by Stoidulla and the rest of her ilk.
I, myself, a man in his rather late youth, with no particular charisma, even less sense of style, and the body I deserve…
Constantly, I am being butt-pinched by quiche-eating, Evian swilling little snots. Ever where I go, they can’t keep they’re hands off me. All right, once or twice, ever once in a while, I can overlook it. But, damn! Ever where I go…
Aslong as we’re on the subject, this whole homophobia thing. Damn it, I’m scared of spiders, and they creep me out, thats arachnophobia. Gay stuff creeps me out, but it doesn’t scare me none, less I’m in jail. So this doesn’t work for me, trying to make like gay guys are spiders. Whatver they are, they ain’t spiders!
Woman pinched my butt, I might be offended, I guess. Dont recall any such incident. Doubt that I’d forget.
When an adult male throws a punch, there is always the potential for serious damage. I wouldn’t recommend hitting unless the pincher was actively preventing you from leaving his immediate presence.
Seriously, the couple of times I’ve been the object of unwanted attention from a same-sex person, I simply had to say “Please don’t do that.” This invariably resulted in a cessation of the unwanted behavior and a brief apology. Most people are reasonable, no matter who they get the hots for.
~~Baloo
I thought it was an interesting topic and didn’t see a thing wrong with it. I think you probably just wanted an answer and you got some good ones, but of course we always have to have some of the “itellectuals” (if I even spelled it correctly) who have to knock someone’s dick in the dirt just to prove how smart and bored they are with the rest of us. Just keep on posting cause I enjoy ya.
Let’s think about this some.
“Homophobia” is generally understood to be a fear of homosexuals. I don’t think it would have anything to do with WHAT the homosexuals were doing, as much as it would with what they are–gay. Are you genuinely afraid of homosexuals? If your answer is no, than you aren’t a homophobe.
It would stand to reason, then, drawing from that conclusion, that clocking a gay person who came on a bit too strong would NOT be homophobic. Being generally peaceful, I can’t say that I agree with clocking them in the first place, but if it was meant to send a message that couldn’t be delivered in a reasonable, non-violent way, I wouldn’t have a problem with it.
Mammie,
Thanks. I needed that.
I’ve been on the receiving end of a wandering hand myself, and it’s not pleasant. A couple of years back, in a nightclub, a female workmate decided to grab my crotch and make a lewd remark. I’m gay, and this woman made my skin crawl. I freaked out big time, pushed her hand away from me and told her never to lay a finger on me again.
I’ve had my butt pinched by other gay men as well. Obviously, this doesn’t have quite the same freak-out factor for me, but it does make me feel like a piece of meat. I just glare at these guys, and tell them to keep their hands off. If I wanted it pinched, I would have asked.
Regardless of gender, sexuality or situation, I think people should keep their hands to themselves, if only out of respect. Whilst I don’t necessarily agree with people retaliating with a slap or punch, I do think that, if you go around pinching butts, you should expect it. If you pinch butt and get slapped in return, then it’s your tough luck for invading someone’s personal space and treating them like a piece of meat.
I guess I’ve been the perpetrator of an inappropriately forceful response, then. A couple of years ago a guy started groping me on a city bus (7:30 on a Tuesday morning.) My response, loud enough to be heard by the other half-dozen people on the bus- ‘Get your hands off me.’ His response - pushed my skirt further up. (Never looked at me, never acknowledged I was a human being - more like a rubber doll or something. Wierdo.) My second response, ‘Get your hands off me or I’ll break your finger’. His response - pushed my skirt further towards my waist. My response - grabbed his little finger and yank backwards. He yelped, jumped up, and got off the bus at the next stop. Never saw him again. Hopefully, he never groped anybody again.
Inappropriate use of force? Probably. I could have done other things - yelled for help, gotten out of the seat and left, although that would have involved crawling over him. Why did I choose to respond by breaking his finger? Dunno. Mostly because he creeped me out so bad, I guess. I felt that he needed an immediate, very very forceful response because he didn’t seem to be operating on the same plane of reality as all the rest of us. Would I have responded the same way to being groped or pinched by a drunk frat boy in a bar? Dunno. Would I have responded the same way to a woman groping me? Dunno. All I’m saying is, circumstances vary.
Felice:
I believe you have provided us with a rare example of sensible violence. I see nothing wrong with your response to someone repeatedly ignoring your verbal objection to his unacceptable behavior. Sometimes an impolite response is necessary to reinforce the need for polite behavior. I hope your forceful reaction educated your erstwhile predator that not all “victims” are helpless, and why it’s a good idea to leave his fantasies in fantasyland when he goes out in public.
~~Baloo
I’m with Baloo - I think your response was appropriate, Felice. It’s not like you stabbed the guy in the throat. You’d given him verbal warnings; he continued with what he was doing (assault and perhaps battery); you gave him a short dose of pain. (Correct me if I’m wrong, but it didn’t sound much worse than, say, slipping on the stairs and jamming your finger in the ground on landing.)
What other option would you have in this situation? I don’t know, I wasn’t there. Perhaps you could have moved, which might have ended the harrassment, but you never should have had to move. What you did got him off the bus, a far better outcome for the sake of justice.