There’s a couple things at play here. First, I’m not sure a “white culture” exists in the same way that other cultures do. What constitutes white culture? Is it urban and suburban white people in America? Is it rural white people in the Southern US? Maybe its Western European culture? None of those is more “white culture” than any of the others, but each is it’s own culture. It’s hard to find something that would hit all of those. Similarly, white people aren’t in a minority anywhere where one would mention that. Here in the US, we have Black culture, Latin culture, Asian culture, but anything that might be white culture is just part of American culture because white people are the majority.
The other thing is, what offends other cultures isn’t the same as what would offend white people and vice versa. It is interesting nonetheless to see how other cultures represent us. For instance, I’ve seen a fair bit of anime and how they represent Westerners is generally with a distinct drawing style, usually square jaws, very loud, pompous, arrogant, and usually way overstating themselves.
Ahhhh… but WHERE did he make that famous crack about the clingers? In front of a bunch of extremely rich WHITE liberals!!!
Meaning that Obama was mocking one subset of white America to a different subset that SHARED his contempt for them.
Obama never called the prayerful, gun-toting set “White trash,” but suppose he had. Would any of the rich white liberals in his audience have been offensed? No- because they’d have reasoned (correctly), “he doesn’t mean ME- he means OTHER white people.”
Are there things people could say to anger of offend me? Sure, loads of things! But I can’t think of anything anyone could say about "white people "as a whole that would offend me.
Ummm, so basically you are making up what Obama said and also making up how a certain group would’ve responded to it, keep enjoying your imaginary cocoon of comfort where liberals are the evil boogeymen.
I have nothing to add other than that Wonton Sexuality is the best thing I’ve read for weeks and if there is any justice in the world even sven’s user name should be changed to Wonton Sexuality so that I will never forget this thread.
I’ve been lurking stormfront.org and much of what’s posted there is crap. But you get to think about some of their other points and they say white culture IS being attacked constantly (specifically, in American media.) It’s easy to believe that, I think.
American media largely is white culture, given that it’s largely made by white people. White culture is the culture that white people happen to have at the moment; it isn’t a synonym for white racism or white supremacism, which is what the kind of people who hang out at Stormfront are going to call “white culture”.
I didn’t say American media is no longer white culture. But they complain of revisions that have little to do with equal and fair depiction. Also, much of those to blame are whites themselves.
I don’t find it easy to believe at all. If you want to provide some specific examples then go ahead, but “They said it on Stormfront” is a less than compelling argument.
I would say that Western culture as a whole has a nasty, self-desctructive streak inherent to it, at least since the Great War. It may have existed before that. After WWI, seemingly endless intellectuals proclaimed, lamented, and often encouraged the death of their own cultures. This wasn’t the result of any specific political philosophy, and in fact seemed to cut across more or all anyone who was reasonably well-educated, from genteel Britons to hard-left Italians, Oxford Dons to Mussolini.
To be sure, criticism can be useful. But fundamental criticism - a total hatred of the object - has no real value, because it seeks to destroy and not to improve. Too much criticism in most western cultures has trended towards the destructive; not really caring about what comes after as long as it gets to erase what it hates now.
Is that actually true? I mean rather, were the intellectuals literally saying “It doesn’t matter what comes next, as long as we destroy the ills now”? Or were they suggesting replacement of culture with one that the status quo and conservatives did not like?
There were some revolutionaries who had quotes about revolution first and figure out society later, but I feel like they would probably be in the minority, and it’s an unusual claim IMO that intellectuals who love nothing better than to tell you how things SHOULD BE, would want to tear down western culture with no suggestion as to what to replace it with.