I think the clearest evidence that Islam has gone permanently off the rails is the way they treat each OTHER. Iraqi Sunni and Shia are the same race, ethnicity, culture, and religion (just not sect). It would be as if the Catholics in the U.S. just started killing Protestants in the streets, just because they hate them. Hell, even THAT’S not a sufficient analogy. It’s even more ridiculous than that, because at least Catholics and Protestants are generally of different ethnicity in the US.
Jesus Christ, fuck religion. Fuck atheists too, they give religion strength by opposing its beliefs instead of its effects.
It would be like Catholic and Orthodox Christians slaughtering each other in the Balkans? Or like overwhelmingly Christian Rwanda where Hutus slaughtered Tutsi and other Hutu? The surface level fault line is along the sect of Islam but there’s some depth below the surface.
The Hutus and Tutsis didn’t create the problem. As far as slaughter in the Balkans goes, there’s a bigger cultural divide there, historically, I think, than between Sunni and Shia of the same culture. I could be wrong, I’ve not studied the Orthodox/Catholic conflicts in the modern era at all.
Northern Ireland had some sectarian intra-Christian unpleasantness in the not overly distant past.
Well given how gung-ho you were, I thought you were going to hang up your keyboard and take the battle directly to the enemy. The point being that pit-talk is cheap and American lives and treasure expensive.
Yeah I have. ISIS isn’t an existential threat to the US and they aren’t as yet creating an humanitarian catastrophe. They just post diverting videos on You-tube.
::waves flag::
To be honest though, it wouldn’t surprise me if we had little substantive disagreement. The Iranians frankly have more of an interest in this than the US and they are indeed putting lives and resources on the line in Tikrit. Human rights violations wouldn’t surprise me given the sorts of fellows they’ve sent in. I argued for US military involvement upthread. I just want it to be well measured. Nobody out-types MfM!
What does this supposition have to do with anything?
How would you judge this? The Croat and the Serb speak effectively the same language, they have the same cuisines, etc. etc.
This is a meaningless excuse making - not that I can see anything that says you have any real idea of the Sunni and the Shia as either religion or as the ethnic markers in the Mesopotamia area or the histories there (both cooperation and not).
There’s not really. The most glaring difference is in alphabet - Latin based versus cyrillic. Most of the differences stem more from which larger power controlled what were separate small but still Slavic kingdoms for centuries. The Bosnian Muslims, that were also right there in the heart of that three way ethnic cleanse fest, are historically linked to the Ottoman Empire control of the region. Some Slavs converted at that time forming the new “ethnic” group.
A lot of the Shia-Sunni split in Iraq breaks along the Persian-Arab lines of conflict. In some Muslim countries away from the region’s ethnic conflict, significant chunks of the population can self identify as non-sectarian Muslims. That historical Persian-Arab conflict in the Middle East plays out large. The split of the sects came about along that fault line. It plays out today in Iraq. It’s played out as well in Syria (Sunni rebellion against minority ruling Alawites (Shia offshoot) that’s backed by Iran.)
Bosniaks, to go back to the start of this little trip - majority non-Sectarian (also quite secular IME). Post civil war and genocide all sides tended to become less secular as s result of trauma and build churches/mosques as a political statement. That saw a small move in the linked numbers from non-sectarian to Sunni. Guess where most of the outside funding for those mosques was coming from? Hint it wasn’t Iran.
There’s more at play than the surface level Islam.
That actually changes nothing and only emphasizes more that you are an ignorant who is making statements out purely superficial bigotries.
there is not knee jerking in responding to show you made stupid, ignorant statements that are factually wrong, to try to justify certain opinions - it is only to be not an ignorant and not a bigot.
We are destroying ancient archaeological sites right here in America, today, namely the Mounds of Cahokia. The Big Mound got bulldozed; I think there is a parking lot there now.
Daesh is certainly horrible, but they are a foreign problem. I don’t like the way they distract from very serious problems in our own country.
OK, so let us fight Ramira’s ignorance. What she should have called you is an ignoramus, imbecile, idiot or moron. Would that work better for your sudden attack of “English words cannot change grammatical use”?
