Big nukes, sure. But can a seismometer tell the difference between a tactical nuke and a bunker buster of roughly equal yield?
Just guessing here (and just guessing at possibilities). Hopefully they didn’t use any nukes. But I don’t put anything past Trump and his team of scumbags.
I’m still not sure how that’s possible, given the distances, times, and speeds.
They were doing that before the negotiations. And after the end of the previous deal.
There are no bunker busters of roughly equal yield. To get up to nuke levels of boom, you need, basically, a shipfull of material.
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For those who want to watch here is a link to the press conference (it has not started yet):
There are other channels too. This is just one.
I am not an expert, but in my understanding, there are indeed tactical nukes with roughly similar explosive yields to the largest bunker buster bombs.
Well…that was a whole nothingburger. No details except that we know the strikes happened.
And that Trump and God need to get a room.
I didn’t attack any one person; I “attacked” his country. I realize we can’t “attack” God’s ‘chosen people.’ God’s ‘chosen people’ can commit genocide and can advocate for war and genocide as they do on these threads under the pretense of ‘debate’, whereas those who aren’t God’s chosen people can’t call it out for the violations of international law that it is.
When Obama took down Osama Bin Laden he took 10 minutes and he did talk alone, like many other presidents before. Instead he needed to have Little Rubio, JD Vance and others in the stage to make a 4 minute nothing burger speech.
Trump just continues to miss how weak he looks when he does not take the time or the guts to go to the stage by himself to tell us that he just ordered a war.
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If it were in open-air, the nukes would have a distinctive double-flash signature that conventional explosives cannot replicate. Makes me wonder if the subterranean detonation (that such a hypothetical bunker-busting nuke would have) would have some similar effect.
But…even if Trump surrounded himself with toady generals and advisors, surely even they would counsel him against using tactical nukes. Crossing that threshold would give Russia the green light to use tactical nukes against Ukraine, China and other aggressors do it too etc.
I think Netanyahu set up a tap in for Trump.
Apparently two US nukes are ground penetrating. The B61 mods 11 and 13. But no reason to assume they dropped zebras when horses would work.
And if there were, wouldn’t they be much worse at penetrating than a conventional penetrator weapon of the same yield?
The only special thing about a nuke that could “guarantee” results above conventional weaponry is the yield. A micro-nuke with a yield similar to a conventional bomb wouldn’t be made re effective than said bomb.
A quick Google says the MOP is equivalent to 11 tons of TNT. The Hiroshima atomic bomb was equivalent to 15,000 tons of TNT.
Big difference.
iiandyiiii was right that nukes could be made super-weak, although nobody knows if they still exist today. During the Cold War, the Davy Crockett tactical nuclear weapon could be made as weak as being equivalent to just 10-20 tons of TNT. That’s in the same range of destructive power as a conventional MOP.
But again, of course, there’s no reason America would or should use a nuke that entails all kinds of bad crossing-the-threshold implications when a conventional bomb would do.
I’m currently reading a book about poison gas experimentations in WWI and WWII.
Anyway, didn’t we bomb some purported nuclear weapons sites in Iran (or Iraq?) many years ago?
Israel bombed an Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981 (but it was not operational yet).
Thanks. I wasn’t sure about the details.
A dozen bunker buster bombs were dropped, most on Fordo (or Fordow as Trump spells it), two on Natanz, plus cruise missile attacks.
A U.S. official said that six B-2 bombers dropped a dozen 30,000-pound bunker buster bombs on the Fordo nuclear site, which lies deep underground, and Navy submarines fired 30 TLAM cruise missiles at the Natanz and Isfahan sites. One B-2 also dropped two bunker busters on Natanz, according to the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss military operations.
Sorry, I didn’t look far enough upstream.