Emperor Napoleon III might not agree with that.
Not-so-fun facts, circa 2010, about the Israeli military courts that Palestinians (but not Israeli settlers in Palestinian territories) are subject to:
Virtually all - 99.74 percent, to be exact - of cases heard by the military courts in the territories end in a conviction, according to data in the military courts’ annual report, which has been obtained by Haaretz.
The report also shows that the military appeals courts decidedly favor the prosecution, with appeals court judges accepting 67 percent of appeals filed by the prosecution, as opposed to only 33 percent of appeals filed by the defense.
More recently (last month), the Israeli human rights organization B’Tselem has abandoned its practice of filing complaints to Israel’s military law enforcement system about abuses of Palestinian rights in the territories, on the grounds that it’s just giving false legitimacy to an irredeemably corrupt process:
But Jesus can’t or won’t come back until there’s a devastating nuclear war in the area we’re talking about here. So in the case of the Second Coming, war is the only way to resolve it.
Then again, there’s nothing Jesus can’t do… I mean He could show up tomorrow and if He’s as great as His followers believe everyone in the world ought to lay down arms right then and there. But that doesn’t seem to be an option so that means Jesus wants or needs all these people to die. Genocide would certainly fix the issue. Is that what the Savior wishes for His Chosen People?
Thank you for this very informative post!
Pardon me for harping on this but I’ve done some more research into Migron and it illustrates what I’ve been saying about the nonexistence of a viable justice system. Keep in mind that Migron was originally held up as a Palestinian “win” in the judicial system.
Here is, as near as I can tell, a timeline of the events. I’ve listed my sources (some of which came from the wiki article).
1996 - Settlers begin living in Amona (a town near Migron) which is considered illegal by the international community. I can’t tell if Palestinian land is appropriated for this.
1999-2001 - Settlers erect an outpost in Migron. Definitely on Palestinian lands.
2002 - Settlers begin moving into Migron in larger numbers.
2003 - IDF plans to demolish Migron (I don’t know where the order came from) but then they don’t.
2011 - Supreme Court orders output destroyed by 2012. Israeli government igores it, with Energy Minister saying:
"I respect the High Court, but I don’t always agree with it,” Steinitz said. “Sometimes it comes to absurd conclusions and the absurdity here screams out as high as the heavens.”
2012 - Settlers delay courts with petitions and suits. Israeli court orders Palestinians to compensate Migron setters for some court costs. Housing Minister is found to fund illegal Migron settlement but is not charged. “Lack of public interest” is one of the reasons given.
2015 - Settlers eventually evacuated but are not punished for taking Palestinian land and are in fact given government money to relocate.
2016 - Palestinians still don’t have their land back after at least 15 years.
Not only is there the illegal seizure of land but the loss of assets (and potentially jobs, if the land was farmland), along with never-ending lawsuits, fosters increasing poverty. With the court system stacked against them it is little wonder that some Palestinians resort to other means.
I stand by my assertion that Palestinians have no viable means for redressing illegal Israeli actions.
War certainly resolved him.
And that parochial attitude - from so many religious perspectives - has resulted in how many millions of deaths and persecutions over the centuries?
Even if I accept your assertion, I don’t think that makes it ok to go all stabby-stabby (not really directed at you, because I don’t think you think so either). There are lots of people all over the world that get the shaft, and don’t resort to stabbing girls in their beds.
Israel unilaterally evicted all settlers from the Gaza Strip, and gave it back to the Palestinians. The Palestinians should have responded by ceasing all terrorist attacks against Israel, thereby sending the clear message that doing the right thing was in Israel’s best interests, and that they should repeat the experiment in the West Bank.
That’s loser talk. Being handed a shit hand doesn’t force somebody to become a self-destructive idiot, but being a self-destructive idiot is a good way to ensure you’ll always have a shit hand.
For a while it was indeed quiet. Then Hamas got control of the Strip, Israel disapproved and started to slowly strangle the area.
There’s a lot of turtles when you start to go down the ‘who started first’ path.
You are talking about a 70 year old conflict. There is no binary instance where you can point and demand that “this party should have done that”.
Rubbish, the complete opposite. Shrugging and accepting you have been “dealt a shit hand” is loser talk.
So they have the same species of fucktards we do?
I thought that the ones that supported a one state solution were willing to forego the genocide as long as Israel was no longer a Jewish state. I mean the Hamas charter also prohibits any sort of compromise or settlement with Israel as well, doesn’t it? So a one state solution already contradicts the charter, why would they preserve the genocide part and ignore the “no compromise” part?
Recalling 1967 while ignoring 1973 seems foolhardy. It seems like whoever gets first strike tends to do pretty well. Is Israel in a better or worse position to engage in first strike today than it was in 1973?
America can do more than remove financial support to throw Israel under the bus. The US veto power on the security council has protected Israel from a shitload of UN security resolutions hat would have been bad for Israel.
Fair or not, there is an economic cost to being an international pariah.
Can you describe this reasonable offer that Palestinians should be making?
Agreed. The guilt doesn’t really kick in until much much later but unlike 18th century American West, there are other powers that would be in a position to intervene if Israel actually started exterminating the Palestinians. The notion that Israel is exercising restraint by not committing genocide ignores the consequences of that sort of behaviour.
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I disagree. The treatment of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank by Israel leads to despair and discontent, which manifests itself in rockets.
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There’s a reason other occupation situations (Tibet, Crimea, Germany/Japan) didn’t/don’t include rockets, and depraved suicide savages; no one would stand for it. No one would expect the occupiers to just take it. Negotiation in good faith is better, non-violence, etc. If Israel weren’t a Jewish state…
Well, you have to compare like for like. Germany and Japan were sovereign states defeated by other sovereign states. Further, there was no expectation that the Allies would occupy the Axis in perpetuity, nor confiscate their lands.
Meanwhile, there is violence in Tibet, though mostly carried out by the Chinese against protestors. Crimea is too early to tell.
Israel’s situation is closer to South Africa, which had the uMkhonto we Sizwe, a violent resistance group. Vietnam had the Viet Minh, which killed an estimated 150,000 civilians during the war against the French. Kenya had the Mau Mau, who carried out nighttime attacks on loyalists.
As you see, violent resistance to colonization is more the norm than the exception.
Lastly, no expects Israel to “just take it”, we want them to work to end the conditions that lead to violence. Again, the status quo is intolerable.
I agree that such deaths are wrong and tragic. I guarantee that more Palestinian girls have died at the hands of Israelis than vice versa. What would you do if the government was stealing your land (and your extended relatives’ land), giving it to others, and you had no legal recourse?
Expectation by who?
Seems like the Axis has shrunk quite a bit through “confiscation”.
And you don’t hear much about the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere anymore.
What would you do if you were Palestinian? Imagine settlers have stolen your land 15 years ago and–despite rulings in your favor–you still can’t go back. Keep in mind that high Israeli politicians are opening campaigning against you. What is your plan?
These situations are not comparable and it’s ludicrous to try. The US set up a strong rule of law in Germany and Japan and spent $billions to restore them under the Marshall Plan. The Americans did not systematically steal land from the local inhabitants nor kill thousands in retaliation for deathly attacks.
With noted exceptions of Native Americans.