Israel 60 years: A very improper celebration indeed

I think it’s highly improper and immoral for Israel to celebrate their 60 year long existence.

They have indeed little to celebrate consider all the death and misery their existence have caused. Ethnic cleansing, -genocide, -brutal occupation with humiliation and grinding poverty for the original population is the result of this jewish creation.

60 years!! - Certainly nothing to celebrate in my mind.

I have doubts that they will celebrate their 100 birthday ? :dubious:
So, … is it morally right for this entity (which some calls a nation) to celebrate ?

Thinly disguised anti-semitism does not equal a debate. I’ll answer you if you put it in the Pit.

Yes it is, and good for them.

Few nations have clean hands. We Americans built our country on the bones of the Indians. In hindsight maybe it shouldn’t have been done, or could have been done with a lot less killing and displacement, and I hope we’ve learned enough to do nothing of the kind in the future; but it’s done, can’t be undone, and we have a lot else to be proud of as a country and a perfect right to celebrate it every Fourth of July. Israel, however it got there, is a nation as much as any other, and a nation of some great achievements (like, just surviving this long). Why can’t they have an event of national pride?

Wait. You think Israel should avoid celebrating, because it’s evil? And you can’t see a certain weirdness inherent in this concept?

I think that instead of firecrackers they should use neutron-bombs

Antizionism != antisemitism. (I’ve known some passionately pro-Palestinian Jews.)

I take it you’ve decided not to renew, then?

It’s highly improper to celebrate such an entity

Right! Where’s the fun of being evil if you can’t wallow in it?! :smiley:

and here is an example of a loverly Zionist Baruch Goldstein - Wikipedia

You’re right, I was posting in haste. For all I know Wildfire**MM has no problem with non-Israeli Jews.

Yes, but advocating the destruction of Isreal with nuclear weapons (as Wildfire appears to have done in the post immediatly preceding yours) goes a little bit past mere “antizionism.”

WildfireMM ** probably has a lot in common with Israeli Jews who think their country has often gone down the wrong path and ought to treat the Palestinians considerably better than they have done.

Oh, it’s like tonguing a sore tooth!

Yes, what with all those wars of extermination they forced their neighbors to declare upon them, and all those offers for peace they forced their neighbors to reject in favor of continued calls for genocide. And especially what with them forcing Haj Amin al-Husseini to ally with Hitler and help design and implement the Final Solution.

Obviously, it is simply all Israel’s fault.
But your argument is obviously wise and without holes, as it is clear to anybody that, as you put it, the act of existing causes violence, not others attacking you. So congrats on that.

Let’s take this claim by claim, shall we?

There were limited examples of villages being moved or removed, largely for strategic military reasons like during the attempted genocide of the Jews of Jerusalem and the creation of Plan D. The issues are certainly not simple, and definitely merit a negotiated settlement with proper reimbursement, but to even suggest that it was a true campaign of ethnic cleansing is ignorant at best.
There was simply no attempt at genocide perpetrated by Israel, ever. You’ve invented that. And, unsurprisingly, ignored the actual numerous attempts at genocide carried out by groups as diverse as the original Palestinian-Nazi alliance and later Arab regimes.
The occupation only happened as a result of the Six Day War, a war which the Arab nations started in order to, yep, commit genocide. Immediately upon winning it, Israel offered to return land for peace. It was met with the Three Noes. Israel has, numerous offered to return the West Bank and Gaza for peace. Arafat responded to one of those offers by deliberately unleashing another “intifada”.
It’s also worth noting that your claim of oppression of the “original population” is almost entirely mythical, as even the UNRWA classifies as “Palestinian” anybody who simply happened to live in the area as little as two years before the creation of the state of Israel. The immigration of numerous Jews to the land dramatically increased the standard of living of everybody in the area and, in turn, led to massive Arab immigration.

And that’s not even getting into the Turkish categories of land ownership.
Nor, interestingly enough, do you mention that in and slightly after '48, virtually every Arab nation did commit actual ethnic cleansing and many remain apartheid states which are totally judenrein to this day. The number of Jews who were expelled and/or left for their own safety is, ironically enough, virtually identical to the number of Palestinian refugees who were expelled, left due to war or left because the Arab leaders told them to.
Funny that you couldn’t spare a single word to talk about their rights to compensation…

Ahhhh, could that be… “The Zionist Entity!”
Funny, I always figured that a sovereign nation with its own language, currency, culture and a seat at the UN could probably be called a nation, but I guess not. You have shown me the light.

On that note…
You don’t happen to know Becky01, do ya?

Oh, and:

No, I doubt that. Most of them at the very least know a tiny bit about the history of the region. And not many of them would be happy with the destruction of the country.

Although, of course, I suppose we can try to parse ignorance based hatred of a nation from ignorance based hatred of a people. I don’t much feel the need, myself.

What is the cause of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict ?

Answer: A massive jewish immigration to Palestine after first world war and these immigrants aspiration to create a jewish nation.

Without this massive immigration, and their aspiration to create a jewish homeland there have been **no ** Israeli-Palestinian conflict

Yeah! If those Jews just hadn’t bought land, or wanted self determination once the sovereign power of the region fell, then the Grand Mufti wouldn’t have been forced, against his will, to ally with Adolph Hitler and the Nazis and help design and implement the Final Solution.

Just WTF was wrong with those Jews, anyway?

Al lot are wrong with those jews (if you are referring to those immigrant-zionist with a nationalistic agenda). The problem is that there already lived a people there when they starter their massive immigration and that they had to be forced away with violence that include ethnic cleansing, war and genocide … an as we have seen for decades now - a brutal occupation that increase each year. All this to create a state for gods chosen people with a diving right to do anything to achieve their goals

They celebrate that Israel are 60 years old - I ask: whats there to celebrate ??

Well, let’s not overlook the country’s agricultural achievements. Israelis have developed many outstanding fruit and vegetable hybrids:

“Applying and transferring techniques developed by their R & D and other research institutes by means of model farms and an active extension service. Increasing efficiency in use of fresh and treated water; and improving the general professional level of local farmers. In the Arava valley, for example, studies are conducted on new varieties of melons, tomatoes, peppers, fresh herbs, strawberries, dates, flowers, flower-seed production and harvesting, aquaculture, livestock, fodder crops, and jojoba beans, a year-round cash crop used in the production of cosmetics and lubricants.”

Have a nice piece fruit. Or some lubricant. :slight_smile:

Jack… you hand me a straight line like that, in GD?
I hate you.